Merkel calls for Burqa ban in Germany

[the cac mamba]

It's about principles. When you start banning clothes because they're this or that, when does it end? It doesn't end and you end up like, ironically, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

in the opposite direction

but thats why i dont support a ban

would you at least agree that i have somewhat of a point regarding how this 'custom' is implemented around the world today? im not just being a 'racist'? that there are plenty of women who 'well its not real islam', that excuse doesnt change the reality of their situation?

 

[Broke Wave]

in the opposite direction

but thats why i dont support a ban

would you at least agree that i have somewhat of a point regarding how this 'custom' is implemented around the world today? im not just being a 'racist'? that there are plenty of women who 'well its not real islam', that excuse doesnt change the reality of their situation?

You're a racist for other reasons that I have outlined. I don't know or care what your point is. Whether or not you think a Burqa or Niqab is oppressive to women, whether it is objectively oppressive to women and what should be done about it are all totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that in Western societies, when we start making value based judgments on different cultures assigning one superiority over the other, we inherently disadvantage those from the cultures we deem inferior and ostracize them. That's why Europe has more extremists per capita in the Islamic community than America. I'm not in this thread talking about Islam I'm in the thread talking about the value of a neutral legal system that protects everybody.

 

[the cac mamba]

You're a racist for other reasons that I have outlined. I don't know or care what your point is. Whether or not you think a Burqa or Niqab is oppressive to women, whether it is objectively oppressive to women and what should be done about it are all totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that in Western societies, when we start making value based judgments on different cultures assigning one superiority over the other, we inherently disadvantage those from the cultures we deem inferior and ostracize them. That's why Europe has more extremists per capita in the Islamic community than America. I'm not in this thread talking about Islam I'm in the thread talking about the value of a neutral legal system that protects everybody.

ok

 

[ineedsleep212]

On principle, I wouldn't support but I'd understand how it would be deemed reasonable.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Corny, it's the type of political stunt Hillary would do

Hillary named Merkel as the leader she admired most

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Can you say "worldwide white nationalist surge". I knew ya could.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Just so we're clear...

This is what they're banning...

If you don't see how that can be a security risk in this day and age well then you're just being stupid...

This is how some ISIS pussies tried to escape from Manbij...

 

[Serious]

seems desperate


tldr I think everyone should wear burqas

Germany must be getting radicalized again

 

[Serious]

A burqa is a non specific body covering. A niqab is a face covering that only leaves the eyes. Banning the niqab itself is already nonsense because we get into the business of outlawing clothing, but a burqa ban is even more insane because what does or doesn't constitute a burqa is open to interpretation.

Next up sagging pants

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

You're a racist for other reasons that I have outlined. I don't know or care what your point is. Whether or not you think a Burqa or Niqab is oppressive to women, whether it is objectively oppressive to women and what should be done about it are all totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that in Western societies, when we start making value based judgments on different cultures assigning one superiority over the other, we inherently disadvantage those from the cultures we deem inferior and ostracize them. That's why Europe has more extremists per capita in the Islamic community than America. I'm not in this thread talking about Islam I'm in the thread talking about the value of a neutral legal system that protects everybody.

If youre such a huge fan of cultural relativism then please tell me why UNESCO doesnt celebrate "world cannibalism day"



Bottom line is Cultures are NOT equal...even cultural relativists admit culture is dynamic...so if several objects move but at different speeds and sometimes different directions how can they be equal in position.Its illogical.

 

[Sensitive Christian Grey]

Americans are dumb. The British are dumb. The Italians apparently have some sense. The French are up next.

When they were calling a black female politician a monkey in Parliament? Fukk outta here

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

assimilation is not wrong, it should be expected for all immigrants

USA gave holiday recognition to various religions, but yet the same country is racist and anti-Muslim if it asked Muslim women to reveal their face when among the general public, who in turn have been asked and is expected to be tolerant of folks who are different than they are

So it's clear that this banning of burqas controversy, has nothing to do with any slippery slope or trying to live in peace, but instead it's about pushing the already high tolerance of citizens further, by forcing your customs and religious practice onto non-followers to have to deal with

Islam teaches that you must follow the laws of the nation you live in.

Most States and Canada force you to show your face for ID purposes when taking pictures

MUSLIMS HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS because obviously it's for national security purposes. (except people like this who are unreasonable http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2970514.stm)

In a public place you should be able to do whatever the fukk you want. In Canada people are out here in Balaclava's, should that be illegal??

The Islamophobia is rampant in the US, I'm glad I don't live in a shythole like you guys

More people should engage in politics so 'no party gets to run against Muslim Canadians,' Trudeau says

It's not about what Islam teaches when you are dealing with non-believers
Those of us who are religious and Muslim are partly to blame for the lack of tolerance from non-believers because we feel it's our right to force our religious customs onto non-believers

It's about principles. When you start banning clothes because they're this or that, when does it end? It doesn't end and you end up like, ironically, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

-It ends when rational thought and not political correctness is the motivation behind decisions
-It ends when intellectual honesty is held in high regards, so that it's viewed as pure absurdity, to compare the banning of a burqa in an already religious-tolerant country to a non-tolerant country for non-believers such as Saudi Arabia and Iran
-it ends when you're courageous enough to have reasonable demands and expectations for immigrants, just like you should have for citizens
-it ends when shaming and labeling other folks who don't agree with you, also ends

 

[Saiyajin]

If youre such a huge fan of cultural relativism then please tell me why UNESCO doesnt celebrate "world cannibalism day"



Bottom line is Cultures are NOT equal...even cultural relativists admit culture is dynamic...so if several objects move but at different speeds and sometimes different directions how can they be equal in position.Its illogical.

you cant assign value to culture so this is just cac rhetoric to dog whistle white supremacy and imperialism

 

[thekingsmen]

When is Germany gonna ban those neo nazi facist, better yet the shyt fetish videos in the country.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

you cant assign value to culture so this is just cac rhetoric to dog whistle white supremacy and imperialism

How ridiculous...

people assign a value called Better or Worse to things that cannot be quantified all the time...would you rather live in prison or under the Highway off ramp?...most people would pick the latter because they instinctively understand being deprived of freedom is far worse...ergo they have assigned a value to freedom.

There clearly ARE cultures that are better and some are worse..this is easily seen in the number of people who permanently flee from certain repressive cultures being far greater than the numbers coming in.