"Messi is the GOAT soccer player ever" BlazodaGawd

[#1 pick]

I will say Messi is the best of his generation

 

[LeVraiPapi]

This is cool, if you pretend everything is equal to everything.

Playing in the weakest, most imbalanced La Liga of all time is easier than playing in the strongest league of all time Seria A (80s-90s).

Playing for the most stacked team(s) of all time is easier than playing on regular teams.

And 1 World Cup = 10 La Liga titles or 5 CLs

Messi will be remembered as the unproven great. Great....as long as he had every advantage stacked in his favour at only the very best club.

Oh no. You must hate Messi too. @BLAZO da GAWD said Pele wouldn't make a second team squad today hahahahha

 

[Black Nate Grey]

In terms of raw talent and ability, Ronaldinho could do things that Messi wouldn't dream of.

And did you use Isco as a top example of individual brilliance? This is a dire time for "creatively dead, unimaginative football both tactically and individually". You missed Euro 2016 or something? Compared to the turn of the century this is footballs dark ages. Euro 2000 was the best I've seen and this is the worst. Look at the names of the players who got busy at Euro 2000 and tell me there is more individual flair now. Reads like a Who's Who

UEFA Euro 2000 knockout stage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Barely a decent striker in Europe right now. Brazil had flair player after flair player and now all they can scrape together is Neymar. Forget about this idea that football has more individual quality now.

No, I used Isco as an example of a player who plays (at least at Malaga) with flair, and tends to humiliate his opponents and entertain. Flair is much more commonplace today than it was back then. Even defenders are routinely doing flicks, tricks, backheels and chops. That era was superior in overall player quality, competitiveness and tactics. However, the dominance of Italian club football was the very reason why it was creatively dead and unimaginative aside from Brazil.

Take Marcelo for example; He has, in my opinion, been Real Madrid's best dribbler for years now yet he plays as a left back. Back then a defender routinely doing what Marcelo is doing would be laughable. Someone like Yaya Toure could not have existed. Back then the Germans were the prototypical physical, tactically disciplined team. Now you have guys like Gotze or Max Meyer who play more like Brazilians than traditional Germans. This trend is growing, more skill based players than the 90's-early 00's.

This era absolutely has far better entertaining/flair players than the previous era.

Neymar
Lucas Moura
Coutinho
Isco
Hazard
CR
Robben
Messi
Even Quaresma (I know, but he counts in this category)
etc..
Are all better in this specific regard. Aside from players like R9, Robinho and Ronaldinho.

In terms of pure technique and flair this era is better, point blank.

 

[LeMAO]

thgis dumbass negga @BLAZO da GAWD said Pele wouldn't make a second team in today's game


Yet, Messi is the GOAT cuz he flourishes at Barca. Can you imagine Pele in a team with 3 of the top 5 players of his time ?

sorry but i need to inform you that Santos was a stacked team compared to the league they were in.
Santos was outrageously talented compared to their league. This obviously makes scoring tons of goals easier.
ever heard of Toninho, When Pele spent a lot of the season injured
the goalscoring focus shifted to a player who only received one career NT cap and that player basically replicated Pelé's scoring.
Toninho scored 60 goals (including friendlies), Taça Brasil and Paulista season he was the top scorer
Pelé scored between 55 and 67 goals every other season between 1963 and 1969
Toninho actually outscored Pelé in 1968, bagging 76 goals for Santos.
That was a higher goal haul than Pelé ever got from 1964 through the end of his career.

Pele is so overrated self proclaimd GOAT but in reality he benefited a lot from having a great squad
just like what u people trying too discredit Messi for. Ronaldo de Lima (R9) is way better than Pele.

Here's what Messi has brought to this football era:

he may not be your GOAT but pretty sure he is up there with overrated Pele and Maradonna

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

Pele the goat. Blazo getting nothing but negs for the statements he's made in this thread.



@LeVraiPapi

Get your boy

Spud. You literally know nothing about soccer besides what ESPN tells you every 4 years. Have a seat.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

sorry but i need to inform you that Santos was a stacked team compared to the league they were in.
Santos was outrageously talented compared to their league. This obviously makes scoring tons of goals easier.
ever heard of Toninho, When Pele spent a lot of the season injured
the goalscoring focus shifted to a player who only received one career NT cap and that player basically replicated Pelé's scoring.
Toninho scored 60 goals (including friendlies), Taça Brasil and Paulista season he was the top scorer
Pelé scored between 55 and 67 goals every other season between 1963 and 1969
Toninho actually outscored Pelé in 1968, bagging 76 goals for Santos.
That was a higher goal haul than Pelé ever got from 1964 through the end of his career.

Pele is so overrated self proclaimd GOAT but in reality he benefited a lot from having a great squad
just like what u people trying too discredit Messi for. Ronaldo de Lima (R9) is way better than Pele.

Here's what Messi has brought to this football era:

he may not be your GOAT but pretty sure he is up there with overrated Pele and Maradonna

I Respek this man. You see this post @BLAZO da GAWD ? That's how you make a point and son back.

As long as you agree CR9 is GOAT and Messi can be wherever you want breh

 

[BOBN]

No, I used Isco as an example of a player who plays (at least at Malaga) with flair, and tends to humiliate his opponents and entertain. Flair is much more commonplace today than it was back then. Even defenders are routinely doing flicks, tricks, backheels and chops. That era was superior in overall player quality, competitiveness and tactics. However, the dominance of Italian club football was the very reason why it was creatively dead and unimaginative aside from Brazil.

Take Marcelo for example; He has, in my opinion, been Real Madrid's best dribbler for years now yet he plays as a left back. Back then a defender routinely doing what Marcelo is doing would be laughable. Someone like Yaya Toure could not have existed. Back then the Germans were the prototypical physical, tactically disciplined team. Now you have guys like Gotze or Max Meyer who play more like Brazilians than traditional Germans. This trend is growing, more skill based players than the 90's-early 00's.

This era absolutely has far better entertaining/flair players than the previous era.

Neymar
Lucas Moura
Coutinho
Isco
Hazard
CR
Robben
Messi
Even Quaresma (I know, but he counts in this category)
etc..
Are all better in this specific regard. Aside from players like R9, Robinho and Ronaldinho.

In terms of pure technique and flair this era is better, point blank.

You harp on about Marcelo but Roberto Carlos had more flair and raw ability in his left nut. Yet even then there were superior dribbers in that Real Madrid side. You take a failed winger being the best dribbler at the richest club in the world as a sign that football had MORE flair?

That is a pitiful list of players you have put together, just disproved your own argument.

Coutinho, Moura, Neymar... Forget what I think, any Brazilian would tell you this generation of "talent" is mediocre compared to late 90s-early 00s. Coutinho and Moura are ridiculously average players.

Quaresma, CR...Portugal would give anything for Rui Costa, Figo and that golden generation back.

Robben... Holland would give anything for that generations talent again. Overmars can do what Robben does. Who can do what Bergkamp, Seedorf, Kluivert did?

Italy would give anything to swap.

France would give anything to swap.

Yaya is your poster boy African now. There are no Africans with the flair/ability of Kanu or JJ, dont produce them any more.

Czech would swap.

Romania would swap.

I bet Argentina wish they had a couple of Riquelme, Veron, Aimar from the early 00s.

Turkey would swap.

Hazard has scored about 3 goals this season and all of a sudden is a player of the ages.

So damn near every nation on the planet bar Belgium and Germany would admit they have regressed in terms of talent produced.

There are no good centre forwards and no good defenders. Failed midfielders doing "tricks and backheels" in defence is not impressive whatsoever. Reason? The European academy system has coached the flair out the worlds player pool. African DMs made to order and a bizillion Fabregas pass merchant types. You've mistaken that for flair.

I would have listed players above but I was overwhelmed, there were hundreds of players with more individual ability than your laughable Coutinho, Quaresma list. Maybe my boy @frush11 would like a stab.

 

[Black Nate Grey]

You harp on about Marcelo but Roberto Carlos had more flair and raw ability in his left nut. Yet even then there were superior dribbers in that Real Madrid side. You take a failed winger being the best dribbler at the richest club in the world as a sign that football had MORE flair?

That is a pitiful list of players you have put together, just disproved your own argument.

Coutinho, Moura, Neymar... Forget what I think, any Brazilian would tell you this generation of "talent" is mediocre compared to late 90s-early 00s. Coutinho and Moura are ridiculously average players.

Quaresma, CR...Portugal would give anything for Rui Costa, Figo and that golden generation back.

Robben... Holland would give anything for that generations talent again. Overmars can do what Robben does. Who can do what Bergkamp, Seedorf, Kluivert did?

Italy would give anything to swap.

France would give anything to swap.

Yaya is your poster boy African now. There are no Africans with the flair/ability of Kanu or JJ, dont produce them any more.

Romania would swap.

Turkey would swap.

Hazard has scored about 3 goals this season and all of a sudden is a player of the ages.

So damn near every nation on the planet bar Belgium and Germany would admit they have regressed in terms of talent produced.

There are no good centre forwards and no good defenders. Failed midfielders doing "tricks and backheels" in defence is not impressive whatsoever. Reason? The European academy system has coached the flair out the worlds player pool. African DMs made to order and a bizillion Fabregas pass merchant types. You've mistaken that for flair.

I would have listed players above but I was overwhelmed, there were hundreds of players with more individual ability than your laughable Coutinho, Quaresma list. Maybe my boy @frush11 would like a stab.

You are confused.

Flair is much more commonplace today than it was back then.

That era was superior in overall player quality, competitiveness and tactics.

Now you have guys like Gotze or Max Meyer who play more like Brazilians than traditional Germans. This trend is growing, more skill based players than the 90's-early 00's.

This era absolutely has far better entertaining/flair players than the previous era.


Are all better in this specific regard. .

In terms of pure technique and flair this era is better, point blank.

This is the crux of my argument. You think I'm talking about overall player quality, when I already acknowledged the previous era was superior in this regard. I am speaking in terms of flair/dribbling/showmanship/humiliation.

Roberto Carlos is better than Marcelo. But no way in this universe or the next does he have more flair or is a better dribbler. This statement was wrong and real shyt, you should honestly apologize or at the very least edit your post for spewing basura like this.


As for the list;

This era absolutely has far better entertaining/flair players than the previous era.


Are all better in this specific regard.

I never said they were overall better players, again I specified they were superior in this sole category.

Ironically, European academies lacked flair at first. Then Ronaldinho came and gave his glorious sermon. Now flair is more common. The explosion in players trained to play 3 v 3, and focus on 1 v 1 as opposed to tactics is evidence of that.

Do you know part of the reason why Brazil isn't as impressive? It contributes to the decrease in talent. Everyone player is capable of playing similar to Brazilians now. The flair and tricks is no longer exclusive to them. Because it has become more common place Brazilian players value as a commodity has fallen. Why would a top European club invest in a craque from Flamengo who is using skill to destroy Fluminense in the Fla-Flu derby, when they have a player from their youth team duplicating the same skill sets in a Derby d'Italia? Look, I love the Brasilerao, its competitiveness is unmatched. But all the politics and joke of a consistent club infrastructure (the same 3 managers literally fired and rehired for one team every three months), is not fertile ground to develop talent. If you want to leave Brazil and become a good player nowadays you have to be extra special. Either leave young (Pato, Coutinho) or be so good they cant ignore you (Neymar).

Brazil used to be a literal shopping window for European teams, even dudes like Denilson were picked up. Players being bought solely for being Brazilian. Now you can find fukking eastern european players with hat same flair.

90's-early00's was overall better no doubt. They combined technique, tactics and athleticism. Henry and Gullit are my idols, cuz they're tall like me.

But in this gen flair is much more common and widespread.

 

[BOBN]

You are confused.



This is the crux of my argument. You think I'm talking about overall player quality, when I already acknowledged the previous era was superior in this regard. I am speaking in terms of flair/dribbling/showmanship/humiliation.

Roberto Carlos is better than Marcelo. But no way in this universe or the next does he have more flair or is a better dribbler. This statement was wrong and real shyt, you should honestly apologize or at the very least edit your post for spewing basura like this.


As for the list;



I never said they were overall better players, again I specified they were superior in this sole category.

Ironically, European academies lacked flair at first. Then Ronaldinho came and gave his glorious sermon. Now flair is more common. The explosion in players trained to play 3 v 3, and focus on 1 v 1 as opposed to tactics is evidence of that.

Do you know part of the reason why Brazil isn't as impressive? It contributes to the decrease in talent. Everyone player is capable of playing similar to Brazilians now. The flair and tricks is no longer exclusive to them. Because it has become more common place Brazilian players value as a commodity has fallen. Why would a top European club invest in a craque from Flamengo who is using skill to destroy Fluminense in the Fla-Flu derby, when they have a player from their youth team duplicating the same skill sets in a Derby d'Italia? Look, I love the Brasilerao, its competitiveness is unmatched. But all the politics and joke of a consistent club infrastructure (the same 3 managers literally fired and rehired for one team every three months), is not fertile ground to develop talent. If you want to leave Brazil and become a good player nowadays you have to be extra special. Either leave young (Pato, Coutinho) or be so good they cant ignore you (Neymar).

Brazil used to be a literal shopping window for European teams, even dudes like Denilson were picked up. Players being bought solely for being Brazilian. Now you can find fukking eastern european players with hat same flair.

90's-early00's was overall better no doubt. They combined technique, tactics and athleticism. Henry and Gullit are my idols, cuz they're tall like me.

But in this gen flair is much more common and widespread.

Breh stop, Macelo ain't shyt. Just another failed winger playing left back.

You have a warped understanding of the world "flair" basically. Bet you think a circus act like Depay is a flair player too huh? He hasn't got 5% of the flair of Seedorf

And you have a warped understanding of Brazilian history. A Brazilian didn't need to run to Europe to "become a good player". Europe came cap in hand with the big money to pick up the players who could potentially bless their leagues. That they're not producing flair players has nothing to do with non-existent damn Eastern Europeans and everything to do with a philosophy change. Where are these geniuses at Euro 2016 then? Busy contributing to the the lowest goal average at the Euros since the 60's, and that's with no world class centre backs about. Don't kid yourself with these tales to suit your position.

 

[4fossa]

PELÉ is the GOAT soccer player.


This shoudn't even be a discussion.

 

[posterchild336]

If C.Ronaldo was on argentina instead of messi he would won all 3 finals

 

[VladTheImpaler]

 

[Medio]

messi better play with Argentina in the following WCQ + WC
if he does not I lose some respect for him, a lot actually. how do you let Chile, your rival, punk you from ever competing in international soccer again?

still one of the best ever though

 

[Keep1TReaL]

Di Maria carried the team breh. Don't get it twisted. His absence was well missed in the final.

Let's look at who Messi scored against.

*click,click, googool erph nauz*

1 goal against Bosnia

2 against Nigeria

1 against Iran


Negga scored no goal from knockout til the Finals but he carried his team


I will keep exposing your stanning and your failed logic every time you wanna get stupid again. DOn't ever mentiaon him against the Goat Da Lima Luis Ronaldo again. You want me to show you how you carry a team faggit ass faggit ?

Let's look at Ronaldo in 2002


1 goal vs Turkey (who ended up finishing third in the tourney)

1 for China

2 for Costa Rica.

Now, knock off stage

1 for Belgium


0 for ENgland.

1 against Turkey (score was 1 -0. He scored the only goal to get the team through)



Now, once he got to the Finals versus Oliver Kahn ( top 3 goalie ever, who also won Player of the tourney, along with golden glove)

2 goals versus Germany. Score was 2-0.



Should I also say he was off the field for 2 years and Brazil barely made it. Scolari said there was no0 doubt he would play because he saw him train and there's no better player than him on earth right now, and he was laughed at


Now, take this ether, read it, memorize it and remember it every time you wanna shout stupidity my way again about Messi v Ronaldo Luis so you can shut your mouth and avoid another sonning.


Again, fukk your stats negga. And this also goes for your wingman/hypeman/Memphis Bleek aka @Keep1TReaL too

So because I think messi better than ronaldo I'm a hype man lmao

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Ronaldo has proven himself in 3 leagues now can't say the same for messi...if he don't leave barcelona he'll never be considered top 5...shyt alexis Sanchez had proven himself in the italian, spanish, and English meagues...while messi hiding behind tiki taka nikka scared to leave his comfort zone...goatnaldo left man jester united after back to back champions leagues appearances to go test himself elsewhere...messi a fraud and ain't shyt without barcelona notice how Suarez and neymar took his spot? BTW Suarez had proven himself in uruguay, Netherlands, england, and spain...