Mexican gangsters just got that overall reckless mentality to them.
The mobsters try to legitimize their shyt at least.
Mexican drug cartels vs Russian mafia
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Mexican gangsters just got that overall reckless mentality to them.
The mobsters try to legitimize their shyt at least.
Violence towards who? Randoms? Sure. Maybe in 2013.
But the question was about a 1 to 1 war.
The russians got that.
Easy.
Mexicans ain't got shyt the rest of the world wants.
Russians got connects FOR EVERY THING.
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
Let us know when the Russian Mafia gets nukes. And let me know where Jews aren't well connected.Russian Mafia =/= Russian Government
What's stopping the Russians from droning the shyt out of the Mexican cartels?
No, the Russia Mafia definitely has their people in Russian government. You'd be dumb to think otherwise.
Russian Mafia =/= Russian Government
No, the Russia Mafia definitely has their people in Russian government. You'd be dumb to think otherwise.
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
Then where do they get all their business? How do they have such excellent access to weaponry? How do they seem to have so much power over such a broad area? How do they seem to keep getting away with such intense acts of violent that makes the Russian Mafia's look like child's play?So pills only can get manufactured in Russia?
I'm sorry the taiga isn't preferable to the growth of coca leaves
...but you know that someone is steppin' on that opium
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
They're too weak and don't have the access that you assume that they do. And the people that the Russian Mafia has in their governments isn't nearly extended to what you think it is.
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
I'm sorry the taiga isn't preferable to the growth of coca leaves
...but you know that someone is steppin' on that opium
Yeah, the Russians. A huge portion of their youth is addicted to it and if anything would probably be a huge problem in their crime circles as well, if they're not already rotting away from Krokodil.The FBI put two guys in jail in the mid 90s who sold them 40 SAMs for like 3 milltion AND WHO ALSO offered the undercover agents a nuke.
deflection
You know NOTHING about Russian history.
Do you even know what Perestroika or Glasnost was? Do you know who Yeltsin was? Gorbachev?
Do you know anything about how Putin got rich? Or that owner of the Nets? Or Roman Abramovmich?
do you know...ANYTHING?
The mafia IS the government. Thats why the government really ain't tripping like that cause they can just pay the mafia to do their dirty work.
They're all in cahoots.
@DaygoTaco thinks the russians ain't have nukes... 
... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/scenario/
... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/scenario/In March 1995, US Customs agents in Miami launched a two-year undercover investigation reaching into high-level official circles in Russia, Bulgaria and Lithuania. It would become the first credible case of a scenario to smuggle tactical nuclear weapons into the United States.
It began when an ethnic Russian from Lithuania, with known links to the Russian mafia, offered to ship luxury vehicles stolen in Florida back to former Soviet bloc countries. Unknown to him, he was talking to an undercover cop posing as a member of a Colombian drug cartel.
To the surprise of the agents who were secretly taping the conversations, the Lithuanian, Alexandr Pogrebevskij, soon upped the ante. He offered to procure Soviet-made military weapons and brought in his partner, Alexander Darichev, who had the contacts in Russia who could broker a deal for arms. Darichev, a veteran of the Lithuanian military and also an ethnic Russian, opened a briefcase filled with shiny brochures from a company in Bulgaria called Armimex which was licensed to manufacture Soviet weapons. It had everything from automatic rifles to shoulder-to-air missiles that could shoot down jet planes. The undercover U.S.agents said they would go for the missiles.
Then came the bombshell. If that missile deal went through, asked the Lithuanians, was there interest in small nuclear devices? The undercover cops said they would be very interested. They nicknamed this new deal "Project 2" and agreed to put it off until the missile deal was concluded.
US Customs set up a front company called Phoenix International and proceeded with a plan to buy 40 "Stinger-type" Russian missiles. By now, the meetings were frequent and the negotiations sophisticated. From the beginning, the Lithuanians emphasized that the deal had to look legitimate. So they set up super secret accounts in off-shore companies to handle the money -- they had a document from a company on the Isle of Mann rumored by confidential sources to have connections to international arms dealers.
Then they managed to get an authentic end-user certificate from the Lithuanian minister of defense saying that the missiles were intended for the military forces of the Republic of Lithuania. The arms company Armimex could only sell these kinds of weapons to a government. (But of course, the undercover cops' story was that the real end user in this sting operation was to be a Colombian cartel that wanted the missiles to shoot down U.S. DEA helicopters.)
All this made U.S. Customs suspicious that the two Lithuanians had contacts reaching into high government offices (read the interviewwith U.S. Customs official Michael Turner). In a meeting in London, wiretapped by Scotland Yard, Darichev made calls to a man named Valerii Donitzovich at a mysterious scientific institute in St. Petersburg. Donitzovich said he had contacts with then Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev. Grachev was described to FRONTLINE by one top U.S. law enforcement official as being "bigtime corrupt."
"Jupiter Z" -- as the institute was called -- was part of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Section of Geopolitics and Security, and is known for its ties to former military and KGB officials. This scientific technical center was suspected by U.S. Customs to be the shadow broker for the missiles and the nukes.
From the beginning of this two year odyssey, the undercover cops and the Lithuanians were suspicious of each other. Could the Lithuanians really deliver the weapons? Were the agents working for a drug cartel? Fears heightened when the customs agents intercepted a letter from Jupiter Z to Darichev warning Darichev that the men he was dealing with might be FBI or CIA agents. But the two sides continued to deal, and a $50,000 downpayment was made.
In the meantime, for more than a year this case was the subject of high-level meetings in Washington involving all the agencies concerned with a possible nuclear smuggling incident -- the FBI, the CIA, NSC, State, DOD and DOE. With the support of their bosses at Treasury, U.S. Customs in Miami wanted to continue the investigation to find out who in Russia was really involved (read the interview with agent Keith Praeger.) But there was substantial skepticism from some quarters and resistance to expanding the investigation. U.S. agents are not permitted to go undercover overseas without the signoff of other intelligence agencies. And if they notified the Russian or Lithuanian governments, possible co-conspirators in the Russian or Lithuanaian military would just cover their tracks.
Even more important, according to confidential sources, is the fact that U.S. national security policy prohibits any sting operation that might bring nuclear devices or material onto American soil. So, in the end, Washington pressured Miami to wrap up their case.
After one final video-taped undercover meeting in 1997 at the Hampton Inn in Miami, agents arrested and indicted Pogrebevskij and Darichev. The U.S. District Court indictment also named "Jupiter Z" and the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences for "conspiring to locate and negotiate the source of weapons of mass destruction."
After the arrest, Darichev cooperated with the U.S. Attorney and made monitored calls to Armimex confirming that 40 shoulder-to-air missiles were indeed waiting to be shipped to Phoenix Arms International. The Justice Department also determined that the Lithuanian end-user certificate actually had been signed by a former minister of defense who has since stepped down.
Alexander Darichev and Alexandr Pogrebevskij were convicted on charges of smuggling, money laundering and conspiracy. They are each serving 48 months in a federal penitentiary.
It began when an ethnic Russian from Lithuania, with known links to the Russian mafia, offered to ship luxury vehicles stolen in Florida back to former Soviet bloc countries. Unknown to him, he was talking to an undercover cop posing as a member of a Colombian drug cartel.
Then came the bombshell. If that missile deal went through, asked the Lithuanians, was there interest in small nuclear devices? The undercover cops said they would be very interested. They nicknamed this new deal "Project 2" and agreed to put it off until the missile deal was concluded.
US Customs set up a front company called Phoenix International and proceeded with a plan to buy 40 "Stinger-type" Russian missiles. By now, the meetings were frequent and the negotiations sophisticated. From the beginning, the Lithuanians emphasized that the deal had to look legitimate. So they set up super secret accounts in off-shore companies to handle the money -- they had a document from a company on the Isle of Mann rumored by confidential sources to have connections to international arms dealers.
Then they managed to get an authentic end-user certificate from the Lithuanian minister of defense saying that the missiles were intended for the military forces of the Republic of Lithuania. The arms company Armimex could only sell these kinds of weapons to a government. (But of course, the undercover cops' story was that the real end user in this sting operation was to be a Colombian cartel that wanted the missiles to shoot down U.S. DEA helicopters.)
All this made U.S. Customs suspicious that the two Lithuanians had contacts reaching into high government offices (read the interviewwith U.S. Customs official Michael Turner). In a meeting in London, wiretapped by Scotland Yard, Darichev made calls to a man named Valerii Donitzovich at a mysterious scientific institute in St. Petersburg. Donitzovich said he had contacts with then Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev. Grachev was described to FRONTLINE by one top U.S. law enforcement official as being "bigtime corrupt."
"Jupiter Z" -- as the institute was called -- was part of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Section of Geopolitics and Security, and is known for its ties to former military and KGB officials. This scientific technical center was suspected by U.S. Customs to be the shadow broker for the missiles and the nukes.
From the beginning of this two year odyssey, the undercover cops and the Lithuanians were suspicious of each other. Could the Lithuanians really deliver the weapons? Were the agents working for a drug cartel? Fears heightened when the customs agents intercepted a letter from Jupiter Z to Darichev warning Darichev that the men he was dealing with might be FBI or CIA agents. But the two sides continued to deal, and a $50,000 downpayment was made.
In the meantime, for more than a year this case was the subject of high-level meetings in Washington involving all the agencies concerned with a possible nuclear smuggling incident -- the FBI, the CIA, NSC, State, DOD and DOE. With the support of their bosses at Treasury, U.S. Customs in Miami wanted to continue the investigation to find out who in Russia was really involved (read the interview with agent Keith Praeger.) But there was substantial skepticism from some quarters and resistance to expanding the investigation. U.S. agents are not permitted to go undercover overseas without the signoff of other intelligence agencies. And if they notified the Russian or Lithuanian governments, possible co-conspirators in the Russian or Lithuanaian military would just cover their tracks.
Even more important, according to confidential sources, is the fact that U.S. national security policy prohibits any sting operation that might bring nuclear devices or material onto American soil. So, in the end, Washington pressured Miami to wrap up their case.
After one final video-taped undercover meeting in 1997 at the Hampton Inn in Miami, agents arrested and indicted Pogrebevskij and Darichev. The U.S. District Court indictment also named "Jupiter Z" and the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences for "conspiring to locate and negotiate the source of weapons of mass destruction."
After the arrest, Darichev cooperated with the U.S. Attorney and made monitored calls to Armimex confirming that 40 shoulder-to-air missiles were indeed waiting to be shipped to Phoenix Arms International. The Justice Department also determined that the Lithuanian end-user certificate actually had been signed by a former minister of defense who has since stepped down.
Alexander Darichev and Alexandr Pogrebevskij were convicted on charges of smuggling, money laundering and conspiracy. They are each serving 48 months in a federal penitentiary.
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
The FBI put two guys in jail in the mid 90s who sold them 40 SAMs for like 3 milltion AND WHO ALSO offered the undercover agents a nuke. deflection
You know NOTHING about Russian history.
Do you even know what Perestroika or Glasnost was? Do you know who Yeltsin was? Gorbachev?
Do you know anything about how Putin got rich? Or that owner of the Nets? Or Roman Abramovmich?
do you know...ANYTHING?
You're making it seem like they can actually deploy nuclear weapons, which they can't, and it's a really dumb idea to employ that shyt in the middle of a gang war.
I do know what Perestroika and Glasnost was, and Yeltsin, and Gorbechev. Same goes for Putin, the Nets, and Abramovich. You're making connections there that either don't exist or are severely misunderstood. Some rich Russian Jews = total global control. The Russian Mafia doesn't control the Russian government or the rest of the world to the extent that you're assuming.
These fukkin Russians drink Vodka like water, get into car accidents like
and walk out baggin, and fukkin hoes in the next hour
Not to mention the fearless if not crazy death defying stunts....
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/in-russia-fear-does-not-exsist.130236/
Taking lives are easy but when you don't really fear losing your own, i'd have to think that has to count for something...and Russians seem to have that bullshyt on lock.
You're making it seem like they can actually deploy nuclear weapons, which they can't, and it's a really dumb idea to employ that shyt in the middle of a gang war.
I do know what Perestroika and Glasnost was, and Yeltsin, and Gorbechev. Same goes for Putin, the Nets, and Abramovich. You're making connections there that either don't exist or are severely misunderstood. Some rich Russian Jews = total global control. The Russian Mafia doesn't control the Russian government or the rest of the world to the extent that you're assuming.
I'm not even talking about total global control.
The thread was about the difference between the russians and the mexicans.
AND if you keep saying shyt like "the russians dont control the government" then I can't discuss this with you.
They do.
They run almost every fukking thing over there.
Is it still the 90s? No.
But you're a goddamn fool if you refute all the evidence and ties to criminal organizations they have there.
I can't even believe you seriously think that.
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
@DaygoTaco thinks the russians ain't have nukes...
In March 1995, US Customs agents in Miami launched a two-year undercover investigation reaching into high-level official circles in Russia, Bulgaria and Lithuania. It would become the first credible case of a scenario to smuggle tactical nuclear weapons into the United States.
It began when an ethnic Russian from Lithuania, with known links to the Russian mafia, offered to ship luxury vehicles stolen in Florida back to former Soviet bloc countries. Unknown to him, he was talking to an undercover cop posing as a member of a Colombian drug cartel.
To the surprise of the agents who were secretly taping the conversations, the Lithuanian, Alexandr Pogrebevskij, soon upped the ante. He offered to procure Soviet-made military weapons and brought in his partner, Alexander Darichev, who had the contacts in Russia who could broker a deal for arms. Darichev, a veteran of the Lithuanian military and also an ethnic Russian, opened a briefcase filled with shiny brochures from a company in Bulgaria called Armimex which was licensed to manufacture Soviet weapons. It had everything from automatic rifles to shoulder-to-air missiles that could shoot down jet planes. The undercover U.S.agents said they would go for the missiles.
Then came the bombshell. If that missile deal went through, asked the Lithuanians, was there interest in small nuclear devices? The undercover cops said they would be very interested. They nicknamed this new deal "Project 2" and agreed to put it off until the missile deal was concluded.
US Customs set up a front company called Phoenix International and proceeded with a plan to buy 40 "Stinger-type" Russian missiles. By now, the meetings were frequent and the negotiations sophisticated. From the beginning, the Lithuanians emphasized that the deal had to look legitimate. So they set up super secret accounts in off-shore companies to handle the money -- they had a document from a company on the Isle of Mann rumored by confidential sources to have connections to international arms dealers.
Then they managed to get an authentic end-user certificate from the Lithuanian minister of defense saying that the missiles were intended for the military forces of the Republic of Lithuania. The arms company Armimex could only sell these kinds of weapons to a government. (But of course, the undercover cops' story was that the real end user in this sting operation was to be a Colombian cartel that wanted the missiles to shoot down U.S. DEA helicopters.)
All this made U.S. Customs suspicious that the two Lithuanians had contacts reaching into high government offices (read the interviewwith U.S. Customs official Michael Turner). In a meeting in London, wiretapped by Scotland Yard, Darichev made calls to a man named Valerii Donitzovich at a mysterious scientific institute in St. Petersburg. Donitzovich said he had contacts with then Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev. Grachev was described to FRONTLINE by one top U.S. law enforcement official as being "bigtime corrupt."
"Jupiter Z" -- as the institute was called -- was part of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Section of Geopolitics and Security, and is known for its ties to former military and KGB officials. This scientific technical center was suspected by U.S. Customs to be the shadow broker for the missiles and the nukes.
From the beginning of this two year odyssey, the undercover cops and the Lithuanians were suspicious of each other. Could the Lithuanians really deliver the weapons? Were the agents working for a drug cartel? Fears heightened when the customs agents intercepted a letter from Jupiter Z to Darichev warning Darichev that the men he was dealing with might be FBI or CIA agents. But the two sides continued to deal, and a $50,000 downpayment was made.
In the meantime, for more than a year this case was the subject of high-level meetings in Washington involving all the agencies concerned with a possible nuclear smuggling incident -- the FBI, the CIA, NSC, State, DOD and DOE. With the support of their bosses at Treasury, U.S. Customs in Miami wanted to continue the investigation to find out who in Russia was really involved (read the interview with agent Keith Praeger.) But there was substantial skepticism from some quarters and resistance to expanding the investigation. U.S. agents are not permitted to go undercover overseas without the signoff of other intelligence agencies. And if they notified the Russian or Lithuanian governments, possible co-conspirators in the Russian or Lithuanaian military would just cover their tracks.
Even more important, according to confidential sources, is the fact that U.S. national security policy prohibits any sting operation that might bring nuclear devices or material onto American soil. So, in the end, Washington pressured Miami to wrap up their case.
After one final video-taped undercover meeting in 1997 at the Hampton Inn in Miami, agents arrested and indicted Pogrebevskij and Darichev. The U.S. District Court indictment also named "Jupiter Z" and the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences for "conspiring to locate and negotiate the source of weapons of mass destruction."
After the arrest, Darichev cooperated with the U.S. Attorney and made monitored calls to Armimex confirming that 40 shoulder-to-air missiles were indeed waiting to be shipped to Phoenix Arms International. The Justice Department also determined that the Lithuanian end-user certificate actually had been signed by a former minister of defense who has since stepped down.
Alexander Darichev and Alexandr Pogrebevskij were convicted on charges of smuggling, money laundering and conspiracy. They are each serving 48 months in a federal penitentiary.
The nuclear smuggling that never happened! This is PROOF!!
