Michael Jordan argument from an old message board in 1999

[FunkDoc1112]

I just chuckle at people trying to discredit the bulls due to the "expansion era" but never discredit the warriors who benefited from the "trust the process" era where teams for half the decade were tanking purposely to get a high draft pick and the act was so egregious Adam silver had to change the draft rules to prevent tanking. Year warriors went 73-9 many teams were tanking for Simmons and Ingram or "not winnin for Simmons, and "stinkin for ingram" where is that 73-9 asterisk?

The Warriors lost in the finals so I don't think anybody's particularly pressed about that

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

What the fukk is you babbling about?

I swear nikkas on this forum turn retarded whenever there’s a thread about MJ and Bron

Someone in here got retarded in the thread

 

[malbaker86]

What the fukk is you babbling about?

I swear nikkas on this forum turn retarded whenever there’s a thread about MJ and Bron

joke just went COMPLETELY over your head

 

[Monsanto]

I just chuckle at people trying to discredit the bulls due to the "expansion era" but never discredit the warriors who benefited from the "trust the process" era where teams for half the decade were tanking purposely to get a high draft pick and the act was so egregious Adam silver had to change the draft rules to prevent tanking. Year warriors went 73-9 many teams were tanking for Simmons and Ingram or "not winnin for Simmons, and "stinkin for ingram" where is that 73-9 asterisk?

This gotta be one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.

 

[Remote]

That '99 thread is evidence for nikkas who deny the existence of Jordan Propaganda, that it truly exists...

The last 20-30 years have been a constant reminder from anywhere you turn, that you should believe Michael Jordan is the GOAT, because they say so. "They" being Jordan's numerous business partners and media platforms, who funneled the message of Mike as GOAT to every single consumer of basketball...

People willfully choose to ignore the
blatant narrative steering by Mike & Friends, and as I've always said: obviously, Mike has a strong supporting case as the greatest player ever. He was the greatest player of his era...

But he didn't play against great players and teams who were not of his generation, so it's impossible to definitively say he's the GOAT. Your opinion that Mike is GOAT is still an OPINION. It isn't able to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt; no one can...

He had flaws in his game and career like everyone else, and we rank players based on what we value most...

He has the majority public support now and for both the last three decades abd foreseeable future, because no athlete in American sports history had the media in his pocket the way Jordan did. He ain't the GOAT because you Mike nikkas say so, and Mike nikkas struggle to even make reasonable cases for him when it isn't even difficult to do ...

I agree with this argument that a media machine existed that elevated Jordan and to some degree still works to insist that he’s the greatest ever.

But to be fair, there is a strong analytics argument that Jordan deserves the GOAT title. It’s not like the MJ Stans are necessarily wrong. But I do think they are fukking weird to be so, so, SO emotionally invested in insisting that MJ is the GOAT. I can’t understand what anyone gets out of it. “My guy is better than your guy”. Yeah. And you were a big reason why


To repeat myself, I don’t think there really is a GOAT. It’s impossible to prove, and I think debating it only serves to bash other great players. It takes away from appreciating the game.

MJ was awesome. Admire that. No need to go any further.

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

I just chuckle at people trying to discredit the bulls due to the "expansion era" but never discredit the warriors who benefited from the "trust the process" era where teams for half the decade were tanking purposely to get a high draft pick and the act was so egregious Adam silver had to change the draft rules to prevent tanking. Year warriors went 73-9 many teams were tanking for Simmons and Ingram or "not winnin for Simmons, and "stinkin for ingram" where is that 73-9 asterisk?

Because they had a 67 win team on their back, there’s always going to be bad teams. The West was down that year somewhat in the bottom half, but that was the best East in a minute and the top half of the West was crazy

 

[KidJSoul]

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I just chuckle at people trying to discredit the bulls due to the "expansion era" but never discredit the warriors who benefited from the "trust the process" era where teams for half the decade were tanking purposely to get a high draft pick and the act was so egregious Adam silver had to change the draft rules to prevent tanking. Year warriors went 73-9 many teams were tanking for Simmons and Ingram or "not winnin for Simmons, and "stinkin for ingram" where is that 73-9 asterisk?

You acting like 15 teams were tanking

Only 2-3ish teams a year intentionally tank. Most of the other teams that suck, just suck.

And those tanking teams would still suck anyway if they tried

 

[DTXwavey_02]

Someone in here got retarded in the thread

joke just went COMPLETELY over your head

Damn I feel dumb as hell

My point still stands tho

 

[cornercommission2k12]

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You acting like 15 teams were tanking

Only 2-3ish teams a year intentionally tank. Most of the other teams that suck, just suck.

And those tanking teams would still suck anyway if they tried

No I'm acting like it was only 2-3ish expansion teams. So if the argument is that the Bulls dominated in a era of expansion teams who were horrible then we can also point out that many teams benefited from the tanking era. Bad teams are bad teams regardless of why. Every era had bad teams for whatever reason. Trying to single out the bulls benefiting from bad teams is foul considering great teams deal with bad teams for whatever reason.

 

[KidJSoul]

No I'm acting like it was only 2-3ish expansion teams. So if the argument is that the Bulls dominated in a era of expansion teams who were horrible then we can also point out that many teams benefited from the tanking era. Bad teams are bad teams regardless of why. Every era had bad teams for whatever reason. Trying to single out the bulls benefiting from bad teams is foul considering great teams deal with bad teams for whatever reason.

Multiple new teams spreads the talent thinner

2 tanking teams that would have topped out at 24 wins if they didn't tank doesn't make a difference

If the 76ers didn't tank those years, they still would have been bad regardless.

 

[Killer Instinct]

LeMickey ain't no GOAT. CurGOAT owns his bum ass.

2003-2011: Ls

2012: Baby Thunder

2013: Saved by Ray Allen

2014-2015: Ls

2016: Curry injured+Draymond suspension

2017-2019: Ls

2020: Mickey Mouse ring, Westbrook injured

2021: L

2022: lol

Curry>>>>>LeFraud and JorBald

Which one of you Bay area brehs is this?

 

[Bleedin Gums Murphy]

Here’s even (older) better ones from the 80’s.

With such classics as:

Bill Cartwright's career may be over.
He suffered another break in the same foot.
The Knicks are talking about dealing away next
year's first round choice.
Maybe they'll swing a deal with Golden State for
Mullin and Short.

Roger Pannell's message is certainly sour grape. The point
is, who really cares whether the Lakers are playing in the weakest
division/conference at all. As long as they beat the Celtics/
76ers in the finals, they are the best team in the League.
The performance of the Sonics, Warriors, Clippers and so has no
bearing on the Lakers' honor as champions. Face the fact,
the Lakers' triumph over the Celts is not an upset.
As Bill Russell said, "in a seven-game series, the best team ALWAYS
wins".

WOW!! I was really impressed with Barkley in the Boston-Philly series. If he
>can keep his desire, and control his temper,
And his appetite. Of course, if he gets too enthusiastic here, he can always
make a bid to become the first ex-NBA player to start an NFL game as a
defensive end. :-)

Since San Diego basketball fans are now in the dark with respect to
goings-on in the NBA, could someone please tell me how in the world
Jordan is piling up such outrageous stats? All I've seen is box
scores and the occaisional slam-dunk highlight on ESPN, but I don't
even know, for instance, if he's playing point guard, shooting guard,
mostly around the basket, scoring on outside jumpers, or what. From
the few highlights I've seen, it seems he has carte blanche to go
wherever on the court he feels. But what's he got that makes him
special? I don't remember him having a particularly good outside
shot at UNC, and there are plenty of 6'6" players who can jump in
the NBA.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

It gets better

The real reason for the NBA's problem is a general decline in fundamentals. The players are better athletes, so they get minimal coaching at the high school and college levels. Those that make it to the top are the most gifted, and therefore, the least coached of the bunch. Even watching top teams play, I hardly ever see good defensive position, or a well executed boxout on a rebound. If you want a stat, note the general decline in foul shooting percentage. About 10 years ago, 80 percent was a bare minimum. Now it's considered excellent.

Now the reason fundamentals have declined is part of a general trend in team sports away from the team and toward the individual. What we have is a cult of personality. People don't cheer the Bulls, they cheer Michael Jordan. Somebody noted a parallel development in the NFL. It's part of the same trend. Why does Brent Musberger talk of a matchup between Marcus Allen and Walter Payton?

Some sociologist could give 100 reasons why this is. However, it does detract from the game in general. Basketball is never as good as when 5 individuals are cooperating in a balletic display of athletic skill. When 4 are watching a 5th solo, it's a lot less interesting.

That was from 1985

 

[murksiderock]

It gets better



That was from 1985

Link? This is great shyt!

As you said more things change, the more they stay the same...

 

[NYC Rebel]

I just chuckle at people trying to discredit the bulls due to the "expansion era" but never discredit the warriors who benefited from the "trust the process" era where teams for half the decade were tanking purposely to get a high draft pick and the act was so egregious Adam silver had to change the draft rules to prevent tanking. Year warriors went 73-9 many teams were tanking for Simmons and Ingram or "not winnin for Simmons, and "stinkin for ingram" where is that 73-9 asterisk?

The Warriors faced tank teams in the playoffs?