Notorious 1 E.Y.E.
Superstar
jordan was in the gym tooBron is a fukkin gym rat..he takes care of his body like no other
My dude Mike was out there smokin, drinkin and gamblin and still bust ass and never lost lol
Michael Jordan has only played 2 more NBA games than LeBron
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Lebron's shooting averages from 2011-2014 were as good as any four-year stretch in Kobe's entire career. He won gigantic games in 2012 Game 6 against Boston and 2013 Game 7 against San Antonio with a lot of mid-range jumpers. Lebron became a FAR better shooter over the course of his career than he was when he came into the league, and it's ignorant to say otherwise.
These are Lebron's totals from 2011-2014:
0-3 feet: 77.0%
3-10 feet: 49.5%
10-16 feet: 43.5%
16-23 feet: 41.0%
23+ feet: 37.0%
That's above-average mid-range shooting, and tell me how he's even touching those numbers in the first five years of his career? It's not even close.
The free throws are a mental thing - it's not because he doesn't work on them, it's because he changes his shot too much. Ray Allen specifically said that Lebron keeps changing his shot when he should just remember to do a few basic things and then pick one shot and stick with it, while Lebron's old shooting coach said that Lebron's shot has changed a ton his his first stint with the Cavs.
Ya'all are weird as hell with this shyt. I don't even know what you think you mean.
TheAnalyst504
Rookie
LeBron did improve in Miami.
However, go check Dallas and OKC series shooting %s.
Check the 15 NBA Finals as well. You know his jumper does not fall consistently.
Jordan accomplished more in less time than LeBron. thats no knock, just facts. Jordan is the #GOAT and Bron is top 5 all time 
Check out Kobe in the 2000 Finals, the 2004 Finals, the 2008 Finals, the 2010 Finals...is he an inconsistent shooter too?
No one who is carrying a team shoots great in every series unless they're an ultra-elite shooter...and even Curry and Klay and Ray and Reggie had bad stretches.
But overall, Lebron was a much better shooter after 2010 than he was before. Even in the playoffs, Lebron was fantastic on long jumpers and threes in 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2016. That's four out of six postseason runs, all of them long.
He struggled in 2012 and 2015 when major injuries meant he had to carry the whole team on his back (fatigue = poor shooting for just about anyone), but even then he had his spots, like Games 4/5 against Indiana and Game 6 against Boston in 2012. Even in 2015 he had some decent shooting games in big spots (Game 1 and Game 4 against the Hawks, Games 1-2 against the Warriors).
Jordan accomplished more in less time than LeBron. thats no knock, just facts. Jordan is the #GOAT and Bron is top 5 all time
Hard to call it "less time" when I don't see what you expected Lebron to accomplish when he was 19-20. Jordan didn't accomplish shyt before he was 28. Take out the three years when Jordan was learning his craft under Dean Smith while Lebron was floundering on shytty teams in Cleveland, and Jordan's actually had more time. MJ floundered on shytty teams when he was young too.
But otherwise you right. Jordan is GOAT, Lebron is not. If Lebron turned in a ball of flame tomorrow, won the MVP, NBA title, and Finals MVP this year on an all-time great performance....he still probably wouldn't be GOAT. Lebron needs at least two more EXTREMELY good seasons, including postseason runs, with at least one more MVP-level season and at least another two Finals MVP-level performances, to even think about taking that crown.
Will LeBron surpass MJ? Prolly not. Is Jordan the GOAT? Probably so (though I'd argue Jabbar's got a case). But I don't understand why folks trash anyone who dares to challenge Jordans greatness. Kobe went through it too.
It just irks me when guys go "oh there's NO WAY so and so could surpass Jordan" like they shouldn't even try. Why play the game then? You think MJ got to be who he is by just being in awe of guys like Dr. J, Wilt, Magic and Bird? Nah he dared to challenge their greatness, and I admire guys like LeBron and Kobe for doing the same even if they end up falling short
It just irks me when guys go "oh there's NO WAY so and so could surpass Jordan" like they shouldn't even try. Why play the game then? You think MJ got to be who he is by just being in awe of guys like Dr. J, Wilt, Magic and Bird? Nah he dared to challenge their greatness, and I admire guys like LeBron and Kobe for doing the same even if they end up falling short
MoroccanBoy
Madness
LeBron is also on trt so he's not going to age like a normal human being.
Yep I was gonna mention the steal, but then said why even mention it kat gonna ignore that part.
Yep Mike even mentioned this years ago. As well as helped him with mental fatigue.
Pistons also said that pip though was mentally weaker he was the glue guy on the team and made the team run. He was the x factor.
After 1991 when the bulls swept the pistons they asked Zeke and Bill Laimbeer why they lost. They both said because of Scottie had finally figured it out and he was the player we feared would grow and become unstoppable with his all around game.
Zeke even mentioned that without Scottie they probably would have won that series.
Don't forget without Scottie no one could match magic in the 91 finals. Game one MJ was on him and he didn't have the size or length to pressure Magic full court, disrupt the passing lanes and slow magic down.
Phil puts pip on Magic and it instantly changes the series...(along with Worthy's high ankle sprain).
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Nonetheless, Jordan was championship ready the day he stepped into an NBA game. Pippen was not. Jordan was dropping 35 a game...Pippen 19, 20...therefore he should have picked up some slack on the defensive end. He was able to defend Magic due to honing his defensive's skills on Jordan every day....Pippen says this himself.
I agree. What I also found crazy was that Bobby Knight was already calling Jordan the greatest player he had ever seen...and that was in the summer of 84!!! Before he was a pro.
I can find link too. For Bobby Knight to say that before Mike stepped foot on an NBA court is pretty phenomenal.