Michael Wilbon: Black Folks and analytics don't mix
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These are terrible points, anyone with common sense knows you cant just strictly use any stat model traditional or analytics.
Too many variables in b-ball & coordination with the ball. Football is protect the ball first & gain positive yardage which is pretty much a given. Football players can go seasons w/o turnovers as a non QB as long as the ball is high/tight & maybe two arms over the ball.
And baseball eras are not common...basketball just has too many turnovers for analytics imo.
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I wasn't part of that Kevin Love argument but I do know that defense is something that people have trouble evaluating. There's the popular belief that Kawhi and Gobert are great, Love and Harden are awful, and everyone else is somewhere in the middle. I don't feel like many people know what they're looking for when it comes to judging defense and most don't seem to care. That's an area where analytics are needed most.
You seriously need to stop posting on shyt you have little to no knowledge about.
at me having an agenda for Kevin Love. I don't fukk with the guy at all.
So you need to analyze the stats before you can asses Kevin Love as a defender?
Clearly someone like you does when you think Pacers' Mark Jackson is better than this season's version of Kyle Lowry.
Tell us more about how Lowry is better than Kidd. Tell us about Lowry's elbow injury. I guessed it's magically healed since he's played well for the last 2 games huh? You're the most pathetic insufferable poster here. A true bytch of a male.Clearly someone like you does when you think Pacers' Mark Jackson is better than this season's version of Kyle Lowry.
This is a good summary on the use of analytics:
NBA Analytics and the Rise of the Robots | The Wages of Wins Journal
These stories demonstrate that one cannot end the analysis when one has measured the value of player performance. Knowing the value of each player is only the starting point of analysis. The next step is determining why the player is productive or unproductive. In our view, this is where coaching should begin. We think we can offer a reasonable measure of a player’s productivity. Although we have offered some insights into why players are productive, ultimately this question can only be answered by additional scrutiny into the age and injury status of the player, the construction of a team, and the roles the player plays on the floor.
Wins in basketball are primarily about gaining and keeping possession of the ball (i.e. forcing your opponent into turnovers, grabbing rebounds, and avoiding turnovers) and turning those possessions into points (i.e. shooting efficiently). Players can score by shooting efficiently. But more often than not, Isiah hired players who scored by simply taking many shots. And the operative word is “taking”. The more a player shoots the less his teammates will shoot. So a player who takes many shots is simply taking shots from his teammates. In addition, if that player doesn’t shoot efficiently, he is not really helping his team win.
NBA Analytics and the Rise of the Robots | The Wages of Wins Journal
These stories demonstrate that one cannot end the analysis when one has measured the value of player performance. Knowing the value of each player is only the starting point of analysis. The next step is determining why the player is productive or unproductive. In our view, this is where coaching should begin. We think we can offer a reasonable measure of a player’s productivity. Although we have offered some insights into why players are productive, ultimately this question can only be answered by additional scrutiny into the age and injury status of the player, the construction of a team, and the roles the player plays on the floor.
Wins in basketball are primarily about gaining and keeping possession of the ball (i.e. forcing your opponent into turnovers, grabbing rebounds, and avoiding turnovers) and turning those possessions into points (i.e. shooting efficiently). Players can score by shooting efficiently. But more often than not, Isiah hired players who scored by simply taking many shots. And the operative word is “taking”. The more a player shoots the less his teammates will shoot. So a player who takes many shots is simply taking shots from his teammates. In addition, if that player doesn’t shoot efficiently, he is not really helping his team win.
It's all in that thread.
You still haven't said how you came to the conclusion that Jackson is better than Lowry though. Let me guess your 90s-basketball-is-always-better eye-test told you that.
Why should I need to tell you about how his injury affected his play if you had been actually watching him play this season? You're making these grand statements about players you don't even watch and you wonder why I say you don't know what you're talking about, over and over again.
