Michael Wilbon: Black Folks and analytics don't mix

[Based Lord Zedd]

Neither are accurate/ 100% reliable. It's best to use to combination of both to minimize the MOE.

I agree. Wilbon is a clown for writing this.

Teams like the Patriots and Spurs which have had long term sustain success both seem to embrace analytics on some level..but we out here trying to make it fashionable to act like it's cool to be above using them.

 

[jadillac]

those who can....do. Those who can't....invent crutches to somehow compete.

Bruhs don't care about this mess.

You think a young Randy Moss cared about analytics? "Well when you throw the ball inside of 15-17 yards most players catch it 63% of the time ...blah blah blah"

Just throw me the ball deep and I'll get open.

 

[Gyasi85]

 

[Gravity]

What's with the constant strawmanning by the analytics detractors? I don't know anyone who lives or dies by analytics or who promotes looking at PERs instead of watching games.

Analytics doesnt have to include advanced stats and it doesn't have to revolve around efficiency. If you wanted a guy that could go one on one and score when contested, you could use analytics to identify those guys.

If you're on a team and you need an end of game play and there was a sheet that showed your bread and butter plays and how often each was effective, why wouldn't anyone want to use that?

You're the one who created the straw man here. Who said anything about hating analytics? Your whole post was based on some shyt nobody even said. The players spoke for themselves explaining how they felt about analytics. Did any of them say that they hated analytics? Who the are you arguing against?

 

[The War Report]

Here's a lot of charts based solely on season numbers. Note, for example, how smooth the shooting charts are. If you really couldn't make an accurate assessment, then those shooting charts would be all over the place. But they're smooth as hell - which shows that on both offense and defense, the advanced analytics really are telling you what spots a player likes and (part of) what effect he's having on the game.

Also notice how the defensive shot charts are far more evenly distributed than the offensive shot charts? That shows you're seeing unique individual differences - while a single player on offense is taking his shots best and most frequently from a certain place, the defensive shots show that these choices are clearly different enough across the league that the distributions even out a lot.

Goldsberry da Gawd

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm exaggerating the relationship.. I've actually just met him twice.. But he remembered me and my son the 2nd time and talked to him for like 45 minutes in a hotel lobby.. He came off as 100% old school Chicago n1gga.. Cool as hell and dropped a lot of jewels on my son..

But if I run into him again I'll let him know that The Coli don't fukk with him...

nice deflection, but like I said, you want to co-sign for this dude and deflect for him.
If you want to do that and you were upset about me calling him a c00n, why dodge the his vilification of Sean Taylor? why dodge this poorly thought out and over generalized article, that if it had been written by Colin Cowheard would have had everyone rightly pointing out how offensive and poorly thought out it is to black americans.

 

[keepemup]

I just realized he's got this nonsense on the front page of ESPN. I thought it was in his backbood blog or who knows what. I'm done with this.

This actually got under my skin. I'm not gonna wish death upon him, but he's dead to me.

 

[The War Report]

Chris Herring - one of the best Knicks beat reporters- uses analytics.



EAD Wilbon. :russwat:

 

[jfkennedy]

Impossible. Your jaw is on notice too.

Man ... I better watch my back.

At any rate, my point stands. What he's saying Is accurate. Whether it's right to point it out is another question that y'all can argue about.

When I bring up stats at work when arguing sports I constantly get dismissed by 'eye-test' people. So, I understand where he's getting. And it means nothing in the context of what WE argue, but when it comes to us getting jobs then I think this is useful information.

 

[duncanthetall]

The disconnect is that everyone values and uses analytics. The only difference is some people prefer to do it in their head and some people prefer to use the hard numbers.

This is the root of what superstition comes from. We try to find correlations between inputs and outputs. Sometimes they are entirely false and the more we value perception over reality, the more we find ourselves doing things that don't actually work.

Look how often we kill the coach who runs up the middle every time on 3rd and 1, or punts every time from 4th and inches from midfield. The successful coaches go away from the conventional wisdom because they know from analytics what actually works.

When people say "I hate analytics" they are really saying "The unbiased data doesn't support my hunches and gut feelings so I reject it" Ironically, they are using analytics to come to that conclusion.

Righteous. Good post man

 

[tone wone]

The reason analytics are more prominent today is because there's a growing audience for them. I think its just another way for fans to connect to the game.

 

[Bilz]

You're the one who created the straw man here. Who said anything about hating analytics? Your whole post was based on some shyt nobody even said. The players spoke for themselves explaining how they felt about analytics. Did any of them say that they hated analytics? Who the are you arguing against?

Casual fans are the ones who get worked up about analytics. It should not be a controversial idea at all.

 

[frush11]

I agree, at the core, Black folks we are vibes peoples.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The reason analytics are more prominent today is because there's a growing audience for them. I think its just another way for fans to connect to the game.

Not because computer technology and video technology are an order of magnitude better than they were a couple decades ago?

 

[OG Talk]

nice deflection, but like I said, you want to co-sign for this dude and deflect for him.
If you want to do that and you were upset about me calling him a c00n.

Naw I'm not mad at that at all.. I call n1ggas c00ns for less..