zayk35
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Not at all. I know it's a difficult sport. Obviously, one of the hardest things to do in sports is hit a baseball. I'd rather watch "paint dry" than watch baseball. I hate baseball.
Mike Trout has his yearly injury
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Erratic415
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He should probably move to DH and some 1B at this point
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
All this right here.
Judge is available and has consistently boosted the Yankees since he got to the Bronx. Bro's out there making history every season, it seems. Trout hasn't done sh*t for the Angels, but rob them. So I'm definitely going with Judge and mad other players over Trout. I don’t like hearing that "best player in baseball" nonsense, if you're not even on the field. That doesn't fly anymore.
Let's make this clear...
Mike Trout has been injured for a few years now.
His career WAR is still nearly DOUBLE Aaron Judge's career WAR.
The value that a healthy Mike Trout brings to a baseball team is nearly unparalleled by most players in this game.
It bears repeating: this is basically the same situation as Ken Griffey Jr on the Cincinnati Reds. And none of you had any critical shyt to say about it when he was the one that got hurt.
And by the way...Griffey never led his teams to any fukkin titles either. And he had way, WAY more help in his career.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
That's exactly the point though.
I get where his career WAR's been. What exactly has that done for the Angels though? 14 seasons and none of that means anything for his squad. We've been speaking about "a healthy Mike Trout" for years. There is no "healthy" Mike Trout. So as much as we can look at the numbers and speculate, if none of this has meant anything on the field, we're just playing around with a ton of what-if's and hypotheticals. It just doesn't exist.
That's not the point.
People on this board see Mike Trout and recognize his value and then look at the Angels' lack of winning and conclude that Trout isn't worth having on the team.
Let's put this another way.
Suppose it was the San Francisco Giants in the year 2000. They'd had 8 years of Barry Bonds. MVP, All Star, Gold Glover almost every year. Zero titles. More than that...not even a single playoff series win. Would you sit there and say that Bonds wasn't worth anything to the Giants. Just trade him or whatever because he hasn't been able to carry 7 other guys?
I cannot understand this ridiculous standard that applies to Trout but doesn't apply to anyone else in baseball.
Piff Huxtable
Delaney 2020,2024,2028...
So you don't understand how teams work.AMAZING value
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
I'm a baseball fanatic. It's my favorite sport. So it doesn't just apply to Trout, for me.
It's not just about titles. And we speak numbers all day, but in baseball, none of that matters if that's not even getting you and your team deep into the postseason. Individual stats aren't a hallmark in baseball, like they are in other sports, if you've been losing most of your career. So when you see people speaking on Trout, he's not spoken about in the same light as the greats who didn't get titles. People speak about what he "could've" been or how "if" he were healthy or on another team this and that may have happened. But none of it is based in reality.
His career for 13-14 years, has been people seeing numbers and trying to apply hypothetical outcomes to what may have been, if he were actually on the field more or elsewhere in the league. His legacy is like Brandon Roy's. Someone people felt could've gone down as one of the greats, but just wasn't available enough throughout their career.
I strongly disagree.
This isn't a sport where 1 guy carries a roster of 24 guys to the postseason. That's just not how it is.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Baseball is definitely about the team.
But we all know, if you aren't on the field fighting with your team in battle, then your legacy suffers. 20-30 years from now, no one is ever going to speak to stats that someone had in MLB way back, that made them "great", if they were never there when it counted. Baseball is about moments in big games. And how impactful you were as a player when it mattered most. So if your calling card is that you're never out there because you're hurt, then you're not in the conversation. That's how it's always been. No one cares about your numbers. Kirk Gibson was batting like .290 in '88. We don’t ever talk about that because it doesn't matter. What's he known for? The homer in the WS that drove us all crazy when he hit it. He's seen as a hero now. It's the moments.
What did you do to help your team on that diamond when it mattered most? What play did you make? What clutch hit did you get? That's baseball.
Up this thread again when he retires at the end of the season
Erratic415
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Those Seattle times were pretty loaded. One of the best CFs ever in Griffey, arguably the best SS ever in A-Rod & best DH ever in Edgar Martinez, one of the best pitchers ever in Randy Johnson, and managed to win more games after they all (except Edgar) left.
1998: 76-85 (Johnson traded midseason)
1999: 79-83 (Griffey’s last year)
2000: 91-71 (A Rod’s last year)
2001: 116-46
2002: 93-69
2003: 93-69
I don’t think a healthy Mike Trout exists anymore. He’s only played 266 games since the beginning of 2021. He seems to train in a very dangerous way
Hitters also appear to be declining at younger ages now. Not just declining faster than in the steroid era, but before that as well.
the next guy
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