Mike Trout pose to be MLB's next GOAT and about to miss his 5th straight playoffs in a row....

[duckbutta]

Ah yes...the Mike Trout is the best baseball player in the world but his team never even remotely competes for a playoff spot let alone a championship...BUT you can't really expect Mike Trout to impact the Angels ability to win because "baseball players can't effect the game like that"...

 

[#1 pick]

Griffey made the playoffs twice on Seattle and he didn't show up at in 97. He didn't make the playoffs again until he was washed up. Talking about Jeff Kent like he was a bum and not one of the best offensive 2nd basemen of all time. Acting like the braves are only there because of Ocuna Jr, he is a big part but that lineup is fukking stacked. What a horrible fukking post

The Braves are stacked now. But last year in his rookie year, we had holes. We still won because the locker room, dugout and chemistry was off the charts. It made just adding a vet here and some pitching here easy even if some of them flopped. To say otherwise just speaks to your lack of Baseball intellect.

Griffey had winning seasons half of his prime. 50% That a pretty fukking amazing stat considering he didn't play on a stacked squad like the late 80s and early 90s A's, Blue Jays, Reds or Braves. When he had good lineups, he won games. Lots of games.

Jeff Kent is a prime example of, I can't let Barry down which is why he was mentioned. Once again, if it is so horrible, why haven't you made a good argument against it? When I see horrible posts, I can kill their argument in a matter of minutes. None of you guys can. It's only horrible to idiots who don't understand the nuisance of Baseball.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

Bregman better

 

[#1 pick]

You keep bringing up the Angels talent in the lineup and ignoring the fact their rotation is absolute trash.

Their rotation has been above league average two of the last three years.

 

[Luke Cage]

people are underestimating a baseball players capacity to affect the outcome of games.
but... having a great bullpen does help out alot. If your team only gives up like 1 or 2 runs. Then a player like Trout can come in and win games for you pretty easily by driving in RBI's and hitting homers.

but if it's a constant arms race, and you gotta score like 10 runs every game to even have a chance, then it gets near impossible.

 

[23Barrettcity]

angels 25th in era, bottom 10 in runs allowed , below average defensively along with middle of the pack or closer to the bottom in several other categories and this clown talking about “just lead the locker room ” man shut your dumb ass up

The angels suck trout can’t play 8 other positions,pitch and hit.

Ok but @#1 pick has a good point . Why are we calling trout the goat and most valuable but also saying he can’t do anything about a bad team . So then are we looking at things in a vacuum and pretending it’s not pressure on a player on a winning team to perform than say a player on a losing team ? Idk . But advanced metrics are getting kind of out of control

 

[god shamgod]

You really think the Brewers are that good? Talent wise, you got racist Hader, aging star in Braun but are they really that talented? Cain helped the locker room tremendously. To me, these teams with the exception of teams like the Stros and Red Sox last year aren't head and shoulders above the rest. It's more to it. A lot of you guys are clearly missing the point.

To say Yelich just got a better squad to me is still bullshyt. He gets more out of them. Cain knows how critical the locker room is from his time with the Royals. They didn't have as much talent as the Halos when they swept them. They just knew how to win. Ya'll underestimate the things you see in the dugout, locker room and on the field chemistry impact on winning for a marathon sport like Baseball

Last season cain had an 395 on base % this season 322, last year 6.9 war this year 2.0 war he came back down to earth, the brewers were contenders for the postseason in 2017 up to mid september & until the cubs woke up and took the division that was WITHOUT cain and yelich.In 2018 yelich went ham,cain was really good their pitching was great and they won 96 games, this year the clock struck twelve and they're an average team along with several key injuries

yelich is having a better 2019 than 2018 and he won mvp last year.Where that locker room nonsense you talking bout in 2019?

 

[Stop_It_5]

one of the WOAT threads this man said locker room presence

 

[Tommy Fits]

The Braves are stacked now. But last year in his rookie year, we had holes. We still won because the locker room, dugout and chemistry was off the charts. It made just adding a vet here and some pitching here easy even if some of them flopped. To say otherwise just speaks to your lack of Baseball intellect.

Griffey had winning seasons half of his prime. 50% That a pretty fukking amazing stat considering he didn't play on a stacked squad like the late 80s and early 90s A's, Blue Jays, Reds or Braves. When he had good lineups, he won games. Lots of games.

Jeff Kent is a prime example of, I can't let Barry down which is why he was mentioned. Once again, if it is so horrible, why haven't you made a good argument against it? When I see horrible posts, I can kill their argument in a matter of minutes. None of you guys can. It's only horrible to idiots who don't understand the nuisance of Baseball.

When Griffey had decent squads they won... Except when they didn't have pitching just like Trout. The Mariners had a monster fukking lineup in 98 and 99 and both years they finished under .500 because they had no fukking pitching

I can't let Barry down ??? Kent and Bonds fukking hated each other.

 

[#1 pick]

Bregman better

As someone who watched the Stros locally, I can't agree but I will say he has a great locker room/dugout/leadership and everyone loves to play there and get better. I think another underrated thing is Stros put a premium of winners. Bregman won in HS, won the SEC tournament in college and just is a winner. Altuve wants to win each and everyday. Too much goes unsaid these days that was part of the national conversation in 1999.

You got whole nikkas in this thread arguing like cacs for what? This is still a team sport. When did it not be about the team. You think Max Scherzer ain't amping everyone the fukk up. There is a respect I got for a player like Amir Garrett and Yaisel Puig. Those guys aren't the best but a locker room bonds arounds a player like them. It's just a reliability thing. This nikka willing to fight for me. Let me go this much harder to retrieve this groundball. I might not be Omar Vizquel but my effort is dope...

people are underestimating a baseball players capacity to affect the outcome of games.
but... having a great bullpen does help out alot. If your team only gives up like 1 or 2 runs. Then a player like Trout can come in and win games for you pretty easily by driving in RBI's and hitting homers.

but if it's a constant arms race, and you gotta score like 10 runs every game to even have a chance, then it gets near impossible.

Breh, they been near net even three of the last four years. No winning seasons... almost all of them, they were out of the playoff race way before September. Usually where they are now by this point.

 

[Negro Caesar]

I disagree. He can't be the only reason you win rings but he can change the locker room and lead you to success with his passion and energy. I've seen too many cases over the last 30 years.

Tell me the superstars who can't win and at least take his teams to the playoffs in Baseball?

Yelich team hasn't been good in two years but he is in the wild card race still and last year was in the playoffs.

Betts team had the best record in Baseball

Miggy teams in Florida and Detroit won games.

Superstars win. Mike Trout doesn't. If the nikka that nice with it. He would get them there. Mad Max Scherzer pitches like once every 5 nights but in the dugout and locker room, he constantly amps up his teammates. I will post a video from Washington NBC sports but in an analytics era, these things seem to go unmentioned. It's disgusting to me. It's almost like everyone is giving Trout this pass so he can pass Bonds and they can officially erase his history from all time. Baseball ain't this nice. Superstars win

On all those teams I guarantee they had great players. Trout is all the angels have

 

[Bigb41513]

Barry Lamar bonds is the goat trout will go down top 5ish doe

 

[#1 pick]

When Griffey had decent squads they won... Except when they didn't have pitching just like Trout. The Mariners had a monster fukking lineup in 98 and 99 and both years they finished under .500 because they had no fukking pitching

I can't let Barry down ??? Kent and Bonds fukking hated each other.

This subborn nikka.

Kerr and a lot of nikkas hated Jordan on his team. His leadership was unquestioned. Why? Because nikkas had to do their part and go above and beyond. He demanded excellence in a dikkhead way but Kent had his best years even the MVP run.

98 was a tough year for them. Below average pitching the team entiring underachieved. Expected wins was a winning record and Griffey batting average was completely down trying to go for the long ball to keep up with Barry, Mark and Sammy Griffey failed that season. Simple as that.

99 was a shytastic season. A-Rod missed 40+ games, only Ken and Edgar was hitting other than A-Rod and the pitching was 2nd worst in Baseball by a mile and they still were near .500. Trout under .500 situations have been better than Griffeys in totality.

Breh, why bother talking Baseball. You don't even understand the game

 

[#1 pick]

On all those teams I guarantee they had great players. Trout is all the angels have

Simmons
Ontani
Fletcher
Calhoun
They had Justin Upton
Kinsler
Escobar before the injuries
Maybin when he was effective more consistent

Not to mention even, outside of this year. The pitching depth wasn't awful. They just lacked a true #1 or #2. Middle of the rotation guys but that's never stopped teams with superstars from winning. In the playoffs or in making the playoffs of course but not in the regular season.

 

[#1 pick]

Last season cain had an 395 on base % this season 322, last year 6.9 war this year 2.0 war he came back down to earth, the brewers were contenders for the postseason in 2017 up to mid september & until the cubs woke up and took the division that was WITHOUT cain and yelich.In 2018 yelich went ham,cain was really good their pitching was great and they won 96 games, this year the clock struck twelve and they're an average team along with several key injuries

yelich is having a better 2019 than 2018 and he won mvp last year.Where that locker room nonsense you talking bout in 2019?

Simmons had a higher WAR then Trout one year, did he have a winning record that season. The answer is: No

Its obviously clear its there. The Brewers are over .500 with below average baseball team in the thick of the playoffs wild card spot in one of the TOUGHEST divisons in Baseball