Breh u out here talking about this team chemistry stuff like it’s a percentage u can see on 2k
Mike Trout pose to be MLB's next GOAT and about to miss his 5th straight playoffs in a row....
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VegetasHairline
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Don't get me wrong. Mike Trout is definitely the best player in baseball. I'm just tired of all these analysts and fans trying to say he's the GOAT already. That is ridiculous. I watched analysts on MLB Network have a debate on Trout already being better than Derek Jeter just because he tied him in WAR already. As an individual talent, yes, Trout is better. Jeter just brought shyt to the team that you can't quantify with numbers. That shyt matters.
fukk WAR, fukk these advanced stats. Yeah they've become important in baseball. There's shyt that analytics can't measure. All of this Trout is GOAT talk is based on analytics too. I get what @#1 pick is saying, certain dudes just elevate the level of play of their teammates. You can see an example of it with the Braves and Josh Donaldson this season.
fukk WAR, fukk these advanced stats. Yeah they've become important in baseball. There's shyt that analytics can't measure. All of this Trout is GOAT talk is based on analytics too. I get what @#1 pick is saying, certain dudes just elevate the level of play of their teammates. You can see an example of it with the Braves and Josh Donaldson this season.
baseball fans aren't brainwashed like you nba nikkas. David stern and his clever marketing has ya'll thinking a teams accomplishments is all due to one player...that winning solidifies a career.
it takes more than one guy in the MLB. For instance you can have great hitting like the marlins 5 years ago but if you dont have a pitching staff it doesnt matter.
it takes more than one guy in the MLB. For instance you can have great hitting like the marlins 5 years ago but if you dont have a pitching staff it doesnt matter.
lol derek jeter is FAR from the goat. trout surpassed jeter a number of years ago.
Josh Donaldson went to a solid braves team all he did was solidify the 3b position but he didn't elevate the play of others. for instance on the jays joey bats and encarnacion were good hitters before he got there..obviously when you add another bat like JD the team improves.
lol dude tried to argue jeter..jeter name dont belong here you exposed yourself.
meh not exactly true . The angels aren’t a terrible team they are going to win most likely high -mid 70s games as they play the Astro’s a bunch as well.
He just passed jeter for war this season Nd doesn’t have more hits than him yet .
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Mike Minor is twice as good as any pitcher they have.What
This is why I don't really talk sports on this site anymore
A team with three of five starters having an ERA over 5 while also having a low average innning pitched per start numbers has "better pitching than the Angels"
Like...Bartolo Colon was in the opening day rotation for the Rangers
And Colon hasn’t pitched for anyone this year
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
When does Bonds claim to have started using?
His numbers didn’t really take off until he was 25. Hard to consider a guy who juiced to the point he was on base like 60% of the time and was hitting 70 homeruns in a year the greatest dude cheated his ass off
Gotta go with Babe Ruth or Willie Mays or Hank Aaron as G.O.A.T.’s over him
VegetasHairline
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Did you miss the part in the post where I said Trout is better? Nowhere in my post did I say Jeter was the GOAT either. I'm just adding to OP's point of clubhouse shyt and intangibles that can't be quantified.
As for Donaldson, look at last year's team versus this year's team. The Braves season also turned around once Donaldson heated up. He's definitely made a difference. When he was in his early season slump, the team was not good.
Unless trot is allowed to bat 1 through 9 in the lineup and just have others run in their place, the likely hood of winning chips by himself are slim in today’s baseball, where pitching especially your bullpen is the key if u don’t have those Houston Astros staff...but this goes for a lot of former greats
What Barry Bonds done was amazing cause dude been was getting walk 2 out of the 4 times he was at bat.., but people forgot Bonds was a threat to steal base , so he had pitchers giving the likes of Jeff Kent’s good ass pitches to hit..,
If trot played in the NBA or somewhat QB in the nfl then shyt will be different..
What Barry Bonds done was amazing cause dude been was getting walk 2 out of the 4 times he was at bat.., but people forgot Bonds was a threat to steal base , so he had pitchers giving the likes of Jeff Kent’s good ass pitches to hit..,
If trot played in the NBA or somewhat QB in the nfl then shyt will be different..
Facts
You probably batting like 4 or 5 times a games
A basketball player can make a impact almost on every possession
You can shoot the ball how many times you want too
When does Bonds claim to have started using?
His numbers didn’t really take off until he was 25. Hard to consider a guy who juiced to the point he was on base like 60% of the time and was hitting 70 homeruns in a year the greatest dude cheated his ass off
Gotta go with Babe Ruth or Willie Mays or Hank Aaron as G.O.A.T.’s over him
All allegations against Bonds say he started roiding around the late 90s/early 00s cuz he was jealous of the coverage Mark McGwire and Sosa were getting in 1998. So likely Bonds starting fukking around with suspect substances in like 1999/2000
Bonds had 3 MVPs by 1993! He was on a GOAT trajectory before roids. And even with roids he was literally unstoppable. Everybody took roids, only one guy was getting walked damn near every time he went at bat for like 3 seasons in a row as an old player. Barry was an amazing hitter point blank and demonstrated all other skills a 5 tool player has during the 90s before roids.
This was the most amazing shyt Bonds did to me
Look at the foul ball before the home run (around 2:25). This nikka PULLED a 100mph heater out of the park! And the next pitch he drives a 99mph heater to dead center. And he made it look casual and easy! THAT has nothing to do with roids and everything to do with mechanics and simply being an elite, advanced level hitter.
Babe Ruth didn't even play against non-black players so he doesn't get any consideration. Negro Leagues had so many legends, Ruth gets no credit when he didn't have to face those guys.
Mays and Aaron definitely are in the GOAT argument though so I'll give you that. But you know in their day guys were taking amphetamines in order to stay up for 162 games a year. It was used as a PED, brehs used to it to perform better on the field
Rell Lauren
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When does Bonds claim to have started using?
His numbers didn’t really take off until he was 25. Hard to consider a guy who juiced to the point he was on base like 60% of the time and was hitting 70 homeruns in a year the greatest dude cheated his ass off
Gotta go with Babe Ruth or Willie Mays or Hank Aaron as G.O.A.T.’s over him
Ruth can't be considered the GOAT off of the strength of MLB being a segregated league when he played.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Bonds got destroyed for coming up short in the postseason. The Mariners not winning isn’t solely on Griffey the way it isn’t on Trout but you’re excusing one and not the other.
The fact of the matter is that Mike Trout doesn’t have much around him offensively and nothing on their staff. As I’ve said many a time before, their best pitcher is their DH! How fukked up is that?
Mike Trout gets shytted on but for different reasons. You can’t deny him on the field though. You just can’t. He’s everything we wish Bryce Harper was. We just wish he had Harper’s personality though.
Trout could get 50 stolen bases a year if the culture of baseball didn't change. Players don't steal as much because the player at bat could hit a 2 run HR instead of a solo if the player gets caught stealing. Trout had 49 stolen bases his rookie year and had established himself as one of the fastest in the league.
As great as Trout is he's been held back in that aspect because of bullshyt analytics. Trout could've had a 40/40 season by now.