Million-Year-Old Skull Found In Asia Rewrites Human Evolution, Scientists Claim

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As fake as it gets. We're really supposed to trust China about this?
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No you are not, the study went through scrutiny by experts globally.
I don't think people get it
This research was published in the top scientific journal Science after careful review by experts around the world.
 

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The fossil was ...which is well duh....not the speculative "this could change out of africa" so nope.

Yes this was all peer-reviewed by experts globally.
See the fossil evidence challenges some assumptions but does not outright tries to go against the Out of Africa model, it only highlights that human evolution was likely more intricate than we previously thought.

This finding shows us that human evolution is more complex than we thought, it does not try to disprove the Out Of Africa model, consider the Out of Africa model to be out of scope to this discussion.
These are two different things, sure related, but not against each other.

I think people are over-interpreting a single fossil, it's best to keep this finding within the realm of human evolution not origins.
Which is still huge news, it doesn't have to be less huge unless it goes against the OOA theory.
 
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This stuff is so fascinating to me. A few weeks ago I went on a binge of Human history and what intrigued me the most is how weird it must have been to live with other human species. The differences were much more different than skin color, hair texture, and facial features. It had to be an uncanny feeling coming across a Neanderthal.
People ask where would you go if you have a time machine. They always answer something in their childhood or something.
But me I would go back in the times you are describing, as a witness of pre-history.

I would love to see that, and see how people looked and interacted and went about their daily lives.
I would much rather see that then dinosaurs or the creation of earth.
 

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Yall arguing about continents but you missing the point.

“Asian features” as we know it evolved waaaaaay later than a million years ago…

That skull they found wasn’t from a Chinese looking person.

Yes this is true
The person probably had a generic face of some sort and ancient looking
The asian face probably only 20k years old, extremely far in time away from a millie
 

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Yes this was all peer-reviewed by experts globally.
See the fossil evidence challenges some assumptions but does not outright tries to go against the Out of Africa model, it only highlights that human evolution was likely more intricate than we previously thought.

This finding shows us that human evolution is more complex than we thought, it does not try to disprove the Out Of Africa model, consider the Out of Africa model to be out of scope to this discussion.
These are two different things, sure related, but not against each other.

I think people are over-interpreting a single fossil, it's best to keep this finding within the realm of human evolution not origins.

Did you read the article that posted was in OP? We already know human evolution is complex and this does add another data point BUT there was some speculation about human origin in the news article (not the actual findings in the journal) that the discovery does not align with.
 

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Did you read the article that posted was in OP? We already know human evolution is complex and this does add another data point BUT there was some speculation about human origin in the news article (not the actual findings in the journal) that the discovery does not align with.
That's just the author of the article not the actual scientists
People try to sell shyt
 

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As the researchers suggested, it's interesting, but genetic data is necessary to paint a fuller picture.
 

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Yes this was all peer-reviewed by experts globally.
See the fossil evidence challenges some assumptions but does not outright tries to go against the Out of Africa model, it only highlights that human evolution was likely more intricate than we previously thought.

This finding shows us that human evolution is more complex than we thought, it does not try to disprove the Out Of Africa model, consider the Out of Africa model to be out of scope to this discussion.
These are two different things, sure related, but not against each other.

I think people are over-interpreting a single fossil, it's best to keep this finding within the realm of human evolution not origins.
Which is still huge news, it doesn't have to be less huge unless it goes against the OOA theory.
That's always the same argument they use, when called out. But eventually they try to sneak in a "multiregional hypothesis".





The phylogenetic position of the Yunxian cranium elucidates the origin of Homo longi and the Denisovans​

Xiaobo Feng, Qiyu Yin, Feng Gao, Dan Lu, Qin Fang, Yilu Feng, Xuchu Huang, Chen Tan, Hanwen Zhou, Qiang Li, Chi Zhang, Chris Stringer, Xijun Ni


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Fig. 1. Reconstruction of the Yunxian 2 cranium in standard views.

(A to F) Anterior, posterior, inferior, superior, left, and right views, respectively. Brown color indicates the fossil bone. The zygomatic bone and the tip of the left maxilla, as indicated with dark brown, were grafted and reconstructed by incorporating elements of Yunxian 1. White color indicates the reconstructed parts inferred from the fracture edge and Yunxian 1. Neutral gray indicates the bones crushed and covered by other bones and matrix. Scale bar, 5 cm

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Fig. 3. Between-group principal components analysis of the Procrustes superimposed 533 landmarks and semilandmarks for 179 fossil and recent Homo specimens.

The first two bgPCs are shown, with the reconstruction of Yunxian 2 projected onto the morphospace. The anterior and lateral views of the crania shown at the bottom and left of the bgPC axes represent the shape extremes of bgPC1 and bgPC2. These shape extremes were created on the basis of the mean shape (specimen YNO227) of all specimens analyzed (see supplementary materials for details). Gray lines show the phylogenetic relationships between fossil and recent Homo specimens, based on the phylogenetic analyses in this study. The relationship between recent specimens is a random tree and is based on the assumption that the recent population is monophyletic.

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Fig. 4. Phylogeny and divergence time of the 57 selected fossil operational taxonomic units from the genus Homo.

The topology of the tree was the majority consensus of the most parsimonious trees from the parsimony analysis in TNT (34). The divergence time was inferred from the Bayesian tip-dating analysis in MrBayes 3.2 (35). Branch lengths are proportional to the division age in thousands of years (Ka). Numbers at the internal nodes are the median ages, and the blue bars indicate the 95% highest posterior density interval of the node ages. The red half-brackets on the right indicate the ranges of the Neanderthal, longi, and sapiens clades. The numbers in red highlight the ages of division of the three clades. Yunxian is also highlighted in red.

"The Denisova Cave in the Altai Mountains has yielded fragmentary fossil humans that have been genetically identified as representing a clade distinct from H. sapiens and Neanderthals (21, 22). Analyses of mitochondrial DNA place Denisovans with the Sima de los Huesos fossils and outside the divergence between H. sapiens and Neanderthals (2325), whereas nuclear genome sequences suggest that Denisovans are a sister group to Neanderthals (25, 26). With only three clades (sapiens, Neanderthals, and Denisovans), both possible phylogenetic relationships, as reflected in the form of a tree topology (Fig. 4), are equally logical and depend on the choice of the rooting point of the tree; it is also possible that analyses of separately inherited mitochondrial and autosomal DNA will give different results. Our parsimony analysis, based on the limited number of informative characters scored for the Denisovans, suggests that Denisovans most likely belong to the longi clade."


 
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Shid for all I know Antarctica could be possibly be the origin. That shyt was tropical couple of million years ago.
 

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Did you read the article that posted was in OP? We already know human evolution is complex and this does add another data point BUT there was some speculation about human origin in the news article (not the actual findings in the journal) that the discovery does not align with.
The problem is that the speculation is the bigger clickbait.

If this discovery was of a sister species that mated with humans or simply went extinct fair enough, but the speculation that we need to rethink the origin of man goes against the genetic evidence. If the idea is we may have gone to Asia sooner fair enough but that kind of speculation aligns with Chinese national propaganda which they have attempted beforehand.

This isn’t the first time they have attempted to use fossils to say “china is the origin of man”. I don’t want to jump to other topics but they are notorious for lying to come off as grandiose and better than they are.
 

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whatever the case they had to have been getting it cracking for a while out east

the population #'s are crazy & that's with major wars etcetera taking a chunk at various points

no way they could come from behind & fukk their way to having more #'s than africa having the headstart

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As the researchers suggested, it's interesting, but genetic data is necessary to paint a fuller picture.
ChatGTP5 (automated).

"Yunxian’s DNA has not survived. Its morphology suggests Denisovan affinities, making it indirectly tied to Denisovan genomes — but only genetics from younger fossils confirm this."


🧬 Genetic vs Morphological Evidence in Human Evolution (with sources)

GroupFossil Age RangeDNA EvidenceMorphological EvidenceNotesKey Sources
Homo sapiens~300 ka – presentYes – full genomes (ancient & modern). Earliest aDNA ~45–50 ka (Ust’-Ishim, Oase).Globular skull, small brow ridges, chin.Africa origin; OoA ~60–70 ka; admixture with Neanderthals & Denisovans.Fu et al. 2014 Nature; Prüfer et al. 2017 Nature
Neanderthals~400–40 kaYes – multiple genomes (Vindija, Altai, Mezmaiskaya, Sima de los Huesos up to 400 ka).Mid-facial prognathism, occipital bun, robust skulls.Diverged from sapiens ~600–800 ka; 1–2% of DNA in all non-Africans.Meyer et al. 2016 Nature; Prüfer et al. 2014 Nature
Denisovans~400–160 ka (fossils younger)Yes – genomes from finger bone, teeth (Denisova Cave, Baishiya).Fragmentary bones/teeth only; no full skull.Diverged from Neanderthals ~400 ka; DNA in Asians, Melanesians, Tibetans.Reich et al. 2010 Nature; Meyer et al. 2012 Science; Chen et al. 2019 Nature
Homo longi (Harbin skull etc.)~146 ka (Harbin), older lineage suggestedNo DNA yet.Large skull (~1,420 cc), flat face, massive brow.Proposed Denisovan-related Asian clade.Ji et al. 2021 The Innovation
Yunxian 1 & 2 (China)~0.94–1.10 MaNo DNA (too old).Long low vault, broad face, ~1,143 cc brain; mosaic erectus + sapiens traits.Placed as basal member of longi/Denisovanclade, sister to sapiens.Zanolli et al. 2025 bioRxiv preprint
Homo erectus~1.8 Ma – ~100 kaNo DNA (too old).Long low skull, thick cranial bones, 600–1100 cc brain.Ancestral widespread species.Antón 2003 Evolutionary Anthropology
Homo antecessor (Spain)~800 kaProteins (enamel), no DNA.Modern-like mid-face, mix of archaic features.Proteomics: closer to sapiens than Neanderthals.Welker et al. 2020 Nature


🔑 Key Points

  • DNA survival ceiling: ~400,000 years (Sima de los Huesos, Neanderthals).
  • Proteomics extends window to ~800,000 years (H. antecessor).
  • Yunxian (~1 Ma): too old for DNA or proteins so far → known only from CT reconstruction + morphology.
  • Placement: Near the root of sapiens + Denisovan lineages.
 
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Every couple years we find out humans are actually couple million years older. Almost like these mfs are playing guessing games.

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do you not understand that theories get updated

nothing is set in stone. were approaching a million years ago. we dont know :usure:
 
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