MLK Malcolm X debate.

[The Hovering Heed]

Where did you get these statistics from?

I didn't mean Mexicans literally , I meant Hispanic/ Latino , there all the same .

This is the US Census, just do the sum .

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Here is a DNA results , you can see South Americans have 80% Native DNA.

Here is the study that this is based on.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/europeans-neolithic-farmers-mesolithic.html

Here is a modified graph from the study (it was modified to ease of view). The green color represents Native American "Genes". Blue is "west Asian" or Caucasian, yellow is East Asian, Purple is oceanic, Red is "bushmen" or Paleo-African. Orange is yoruba, "bantu" or Neolithic African

You can Google Native Americans owned black slaves . I come in peace , even tho i am upset of the lack of involvement of African Americans in the whole Redskins ordeal.

Natives and Black been close since the jump, before slavery and Europeans. PBS did an Documentary titled African Americans, and shows how a Black Pirate and a Native walked across America for 50 years. Best friends.

 

[Patent Leather AJ 1s]

recently studied MLK speeches and Malcolm Speeches in a college class; i gotta say they both needed to co-exist. Ultimately, Malcolm X tho spoke w no filter which in my opinion is more respectable.

 

[Patent Leather AJ 1s]

MLK was not a "nicer guy" in the context of completely bowing down to whites. That is a myth and a terrible one. He had guns and understood that it might be necessary to use lethal force for self defense, including employing armed defenders. He understood that, as other posters pointed out, his message and terms needed to be presented along side a very counter-revolution and violent alternative.

Malcolm would end up walking back a lot of what he said about MLK later on in his life.

fukk what you heard, MLK was the greatest American that ever lived. Not only did he contribute to the Black Civil Rights movement, but was the most prominent advocate of social justice, socialism, anti-capitalism, love, integration, and legal political morality that has ever existed in this country. And to be honest, that's why I think they killed him. Once you start advocating and showing people the atrocities of the Military Industrial Complex and Capitalist greed, that's the end of the line, especially back in those days during the Cold War and the US Government's systematic blow back to Socialist and Marxist policies.

All in my opinion of course.

why do you believe this is a myth? ; he didnt necc bow down to whites but did always advocate for "peaceful protest" along the style of the SNCC and other movements during freedom summer and freedom rides. I dont think he would ever had succeeded 100% to what he wanted honestly, rec also read a piece about the civ rights momebt in the context of the cold war; def gave me a new view.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Malcolm knew King was a sucker...he knew how he did rustin...when the alphabet boys threatin to expose kings n rustin's relationship as a homosexual one..

he also saw how when everybody didnt think rustin could set up the 1963 event in washington...how even king didnt want nuthin to do with rustin. and how it actually got bigger than what people doubted rustin for...how king came crawling back beggin to be on...

king lived by the bible...not once in the bible..jesus denied any of his friends or followers...king did...rustin helped king more than anybody in his corner..only thing was rustin was gay...

 

[Patent Leather AJ 1s]

Malcolm knew King was a sucker...he knew how he did rustin...when the alphabet boys threatin to expose kings n rustin's relationship as a homosexual one..

he also saw how when everybody didnt think rustin could set up the 1963 event in washington...how even king didnt want nuthin to do with rustin. and how it actually got bigger than what people doubted rustin for...how king came crawling back beggin to be on...

king lived by the bible...not once in the bible..jesus denied any of his friends or followers...king did...rustin helped king more than anybody in his corner..only thing was rustin was gay...

Props, wish more people knew about Rustin and his part in CIV rights.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Props, wish more people knew about Rustin and his part in CIV rights.

Yeah I read the Lost Prophet and the Troubles I seen books of Rustin when i was on lock...

then the documentary that was on netflix will expose alot of shyt to ppl who didnt know the real...

 

[Wild self]

Malcolm knew King was a sucker...he knew how he did rustin...when the alphabet boys threatin to expose kings n rustin's relationship as a homosexual one..

he also saw how when everybody didnt think rustin could set up the 1963 event in washington...how even king didnt want nuthin to do with rustin. and how it actually got bigger than what people doubted rustin for...how king came crawling back beggin to be on...

king lived by the bible...not once in the bible..jesus denied any of his friends or followers...king did...rustin helped king more than anybody in his corner..only thing was rustin was gay...

I hate when people hate MLK because he didn't "bust his guns" or any of that shyt and worshipped Malcolm as a "real nikka" because he took to arms, but they both did the right thing.

 

[Type Username Here]

I hate when people hate MLK because he didn't "bust his guns" or any of that shyt and worshipped Malcolm as a "real nikka" because he took to arms, but they both did the right thing.

I hate when people ignore everything Malcolm said in his post NOI days. It just doesn't even exist to some people on here.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

I hate when people hate MLK because he didn't "bust his guns" or any of that shyt and worshipped Malcolm as a "real nikka" because he took to arms, but they both did the right thing.

See what you wanna see brehz


Nowhere in my post is there anything bout bussin guns...

Mlk left the person who helped him from the gate...by the waist side..because of lies somebody else was gettin ready to start...

N everybody doubted kings potna.,soon as his potna made moves n got everything in play,,,,here come king on some let me get on shyt


If rustin gave up the washington event,,,king wouldnt even had a dream..let alone a speech

 

[Blackking]

I hate when people ignore everything Malcolm said in his post NOI days. It just doesn't even exist to some people on here.

I hate it when people pretend Malcolm became Martin post noi.

People act like Malcolm was made radical by the noi. They didn't make him radical, they made him aware.... he made the noi radical. He started Muhammad speaks paper, before final call. He trained up the foi to be militant. Malcolm was the leader of revenge and protectionist ideology.

He spoke about seeing multiple races of Muslims on his pilgrimage... sure. But when he separated from the NOI he still rightfully did not allow white people to help in his causes. He was still militant. He was still radical. He was still a black Muslim. He still felt the same way about jfks death... stilll held the feelings that got him suspended from the NOI.

There is a reason he got shot.

I find it interesting that people mainly people of Caucasian descent, attempt to passify his image the way cacs have done to MLK.

White people do this because they can't understand stand how its not racist when a black person says we want to exclude ourselves while we build up... and we don't have the luxury to be allies or concern ourselves with the misery of other groups.

 

[Type Username Here]

I hate it when people pretend Malcolm became Martin post noi.

People act like Malcolm was made radical by the noi. They didn't make him radical, they made him aware.... he made the noi radical. He started Muhammad speaks paper, before final call. He trained up the foi to be militant. Malcolm was the leader of revenge and protectionist ideology.

He spoke about seeing multiple races of Muslims on his pilgrimage... sure. But when he separated from the NOI he still rightfully did not allow white people to help in his causes. He was still militant. He was still radical. He was still a black Muslim. He still felt the same way about jfks death... stilll held the feelings that got him suspended from the NOI.

There is a reason he got shot.

I find it interesting that people mainly people of Caucasian descent, attempt to passify his image the way cacs have done to MLK.

White people do this because they can't understand stand how its not racist when a black person says we want to exclude ourselves while we build up... and we don't have the luxury to be allies or concern ourselves with the misery of other groups.

The man's own words:

"Everybody's wondering why I've been going back and forth to Africa. Well, first I went to Mecca to get closer to the orthodox religion of Islam. I wanted firsthand views of the African leaders -- their problems are inseparable from ours. The cords of bigotry and prejudice here can be cut with the same blade. We have to keep that blade sharp and share it with one another." Now he was sounding like the old Malcolm: "Strangely enough, listening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a Black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another."

He stopped and remained silent for a few moments. "Brother," he said finally, ''remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant -- the one who wanted to help the Muslims and the whites get together -- and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying?"

"Yes."

"Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping Black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then -- like all [Black] Muslims -- I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me twelve years."

But you know more about Malcolm than Malcolm himself did I guess.

 

[Blackking]

The man's own words:



But you know more about Malcolm than Malcolm himself did I guess.

ACTIONS speak louder than words. and I only know the basics as told to me by people who were around during that time and in the movement.


As far as X goes.........

For example : Ask anyone who knows me in life..... They'd say , oh blackking.. "ohh hes cool w white people he works with them n everything..... "


They don't know shyt tho.



NTM "I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march."

X wasn't without flaws. And being full of shyt sometimes was his flaw.

He claimed to not know things about Elijah... then 'reveled it'... when realistically he was just upset he got suspended.

Then he said.. he was 'following'............ lol, this nikka not only told people when to march ... he created the blueprint on how and when to march. He did distance himself from the weird version of Islam, but ...........

he wasn't a peaceful protest like MLK type of guy.
And he talked a big talk............but still didn't deal with whites in his group after returning from Africa.

 

[Type Username Here]

ACTIONS speak louder than words. and I only know the basics as told to me by people who were around during that time and in the movement.


As far as X goes.........

For example : Ask anyone who knows me in life..... They'd say , oh blackking.. "ohh hes cool w white people he works with them n everything..... "


They don't know shyt tho.



NTM "I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march."

X wasn't without flaws. And being full of shyt sometimes was his flaw.

He claimed to not know things about Elijah... then 'reveled it'... when realistically he was just upset he got suspended.

Then he said.. he was 'following'............ lol, this nikka not only told people when to march ... he created the blueprint on how and when to march. He did distance himself from the weird version of Islam, but ...........

he wasn't a peaceful protest like MLK type of guy.
And he talked a big talk............but still didn't deal with whites in his group after returning from Africa.

So you're a racist who comes online to act our your racism? That's all I got from this post.

Again, I posted the man's own words. We can leave it at that. To you he died as soon as he left the NOI, you've made that clear over the years.

 

[Blackking]

So you're a racist who comes online to act our your racism? That's all I got from this post.

Again, I posted the man's own words. We can leave it at that. To you he died as soon as he left the NOI, you've made that clear over the years.

lol, if you believe I'm a racist... then

1) you don't understand racism.
2) you've probably a cac... or white hispanic or whatever you are (doesn't matter i guess)
3) you assume i wont deal with whites because i don't like them............ naw breh..

I think some white actors and entertains are good/funny. There have been some white arab looking chick that caught my eye in the past.... I have no issue with the general population of whites..


But My stance is the same over the years - and you haven't understood it..

It's not my fault that I was born as a member of a sub-section of american society that doesn't have the luxury to build with others, doesn't have the luxury of not being cautious, and is forced to be a little more nationalistic in our views, unless we completely sell out


not my fault...... blame it on history. If MLKs dream was more than a dream then that would be better.
NAw x didn't die when he left the NOI - but nether did white supremacy. He lost faith in the NOI.... is all that changed after he left.

He was still the any means necessary type.



I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment.
Malcolm X

 

[BillBanneker]

Yeah I read the Lost Prophet and the Troubles I seen books of Rustin when i was on lock...

then the documentary that was on netflix will expose alot of shyt to ppl who didnt know the real...

What's the name of the doc on netflix?