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Martin Luther King didn't stop at the passage of any of the laws you mentioned. In fact, he was emboldened by it and sought to go further.

The fact is that Martin Luther King took a bullet for what he believed in. He was fighting every day until he died. To insinuate otherwise is foolish and lacks knowledge.
yeah, I didn't suggest that he didn't take a bullet for his beliefs... Clearly he was popped so that was how his chapter ended. But that movement was so misguided and incomplete that millions of young black boys were popped afterward due to preventable circumstances. 1960's dropped the ball. Not 1 life is more important than another, to me, so its whatever.

Even while X was with the NOI - it wasn't a wasted time... he was on the real shyt from day 1. On the flip side, MLK was on some bullshyt starting off. He did good by pointing out the flaws of our capitalist system but That wasn't exactly the impact and takeaway that he had during the 60's 70 or 80's. There are over 40 other revolutionaries that wouldn't have let there 'dream' speeches get altered. MLK makes it so you have to use revisionist history and research to determine him as a defacto - real nikka (for lack of more ignorant phrase).

lil black boys can play with lil white girls anytime - them hoes like us. What about the lack of resources and poor graduations rates and increasing poverty after the civil rights era?
 

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="LeyeT, post: 6307126, member: 1507" false sense of accomplishment, and after a while we stopped fighting .

The statement is the beginning and end to every convo I've ever heard on this. It's the most true.
 

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Head to Head with who exactly.....You mean calculated attacks or just random skirmishes?
mostly random shyts.

But there were times when X and the fruit lined up and forced the hand of law enforcement and gov officials... without acting passive.

And head to head isn't always gun to gun or fist to fist. Programs in prisons preventing thousand from ending up as career criminals and mentally saving millions is also head to head.
 
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[quote="LeyeT, post: 6307126, member: 1507" false sense of accomplishment, and after a while we stopped fighting .
The statement is the beginning and end to every convo I've ever heard on this. It's the most true.[/quote]

It wasn't a false sense of accomplishment,,,,The heads of movements were cut off...beginning with Garvey, happened Medgar, Malcolm, and Martin...

Most people aren't warriors or leaders, so if you cut off the head, the body dies...That's all that happened....Even getting men out of the household played a part in the downfall...but it was not a false sense of accomplishment....even though there was major progress made
 

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The statement is the beginning and end to every convo I've ever heard on this. It's the most true.

It wasn't a false sense of accomplishment,,,,The heads of movements were cut off...beginning with Garvey, happened Medgar, Malcolm, and Martin...
Most people aren't warriors or leaders, so if you cut off the head, the body dies...That's all that happened....Even getting men out of the household played a part in the downfall...but it was not a false sense of accomplishment....even though there was major progress made
WE
WERE
begging to set at the table when - both CAC and real black revolutionaries- KNEW that we
needed our own tables.

We received laws and other BS that not only made us feel warm and fuzzy inside while out communities decline increased!, we also had the false sense of accomplishment that defused most of our real fight. Post Civil Rights- most blacks looked at the real revolutionaries like the were part of the problem.
 
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WE
WERE
begging to set at the table when - both CAC and real black revolutionaries- KNEW that we
needed our own tables.

We received laws and other BS that not only made us feel warm and fuzzy inside while out communities decline increased!, we also had the false sense of accomplishment that defused most of our real fight. Post Civil Rights- most blacks looked at the real revolutionaries like the were part of the problem.

See. Yall think its about being next to them...It was not...The tables thing gets thrown around when it was more about the bigger picture..which was shared resources.....What nikkas don't want to admit is that we are psychological broken.....and when the doors got kicked in somewhat, all the soft bodied, fragile minded negroes left the community in a heart beat....Cause they always wanted too......Its been going on since we got over here...folks just don't want to admit it.....

And who were these real revolutionaries as opposed to the fake ones.....? You commonly post about how you make major bread and build with white folks.....Do you feel guilty about that? Were their any brothers you could have built with exclusively, since its about our own table and all?
 
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@Type Username Here and I had a good discussion in here (imagine that). I just wanted to say that this thread should serve as a template for how HL discussions should go. With that said, the Civil Rights Act which occurred while MLK was alive was a compromise itself and civil rights leader did not think it went far enough (shyt...even gender being added was an accident). So I don't understand why people believe that had he lived, we would have a wholesale type of socialism or anything of that sort. Sometimes leaders overstay their welcome, I cannot say what he would have become or how long he would have our ears. An LBJ administration that saw MLK and AAs as the future tenants of the Democratic Party only acquiesced so much, who is to say how much he would have been able to accomplish in a US moving further to the right. He is one of the greatest thinkers of all time, and one of the greatest writers, but whether his push for greater labor rights would have stood up to globalization is something I cannot know. He most certainly would have been a proponents of the Second Bill of Rights. But every time change happens in American society, the majority then reaches a point where they go "okay enough." It's great to muse about, but I just cannot know. But I do strongly believe that the black community would be in a much better position.
 

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See. Yall think its about being next to them...It was not...The tables thing gets thrown around when it was more about the bigger picture..which was shared resources.....What nikkas don't want to admit is that we are psychological broken.....and when the doors got kicked in somewhat, all the soft bodied, fragile minded negroes left the community in a heart beat....Cause they always wanted too......Its been going since we got over here...folks just don't want to admit it.....
All the soft minded negros included most of us, so of course when there was the chance to integrate we fought for that instead of real shyt.

Explain to me what the bigger picture was..
.. because from what I see most blacks rejected 'so called revolutionaries, and hyped up politicians and civil rights workers.


And who were these real revolutionaries as opposed to the fake ones.....? You commonly post about how you make major bread and build with white folks.....Do you feel guilty about that? Were their any brothers you could have built with exclusively, since its about our own table and all?
I never said fake ones. To me MLK n all those guys were revolutionary as well...... just not as focus on the real goals.

Since you asked: fukk no I don't feel guilty.

I don't feel guilty about dealing with crakkers. I've learned madddd shyt from cac grimy business men who come off as nice guys. and of course i deal w a lot of indians and asians because blacks aren't producing high level tech people in mass.

I know black dudes who HAVE Zero black focus. They just do them. It's about mind set to me... I build w brothers all the time. Someone has to become fareal rich to actually build enough to were they don't have to deal w 'others'.

What the civil rights... and most black people today do is work within the system for the system. Instead of working within the system for their people. I have no intention of being 100% loyal to my business partners. I document everything and line all my ducks up. I really do like them. But the fact of the matter is they aren't black and they don't care about black youth. IF they aren't talking about creating non profits for black youth in technology- then they could die tomorrow and I wouldn't care - regardless of how many drinks we share or deals we make.
I'm only one person and I'm a flawed person x10 so my plan of attack is as follows: i don't save any money... my sons are good already for school, so there's no need for me to. I used to give away madd money at strip clubs-it's ignorant, but fareal those are single black women... We started a 501c3, wont popp off til another year cuz help this problack chick with her's first, and I donate to madd African causes. I haven't went shopping for clothes (outside of suits) in over a year, and I don't save money but I did adopt a black boy whos pops is a partner who ak'ed someone.
 

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MLK easily.
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Malcolm X spits a good game and that waffle colored nikka can talk all the shyt he wants about MLK being an uncle tom but MLK WAS THAT TYPE OF DUDE. All Malcolm X taught black people to do was violence and animosity, suspicion and hatred of white people. I'm not trying to go into an anti muslim tirade but you will know them by their fruits. Teaching us to stoop to the level of those inbred KKK rednecks is not progress or freedom. MLK was the REAL hero and he busted his ass to make sure we don't have to experience what he did.


For you fukkbois complaining about CRA not doing shyt because racism still exist, check yo' self son. The bill was not suppose to magically eliminate racism but prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

" In the 1950s in the American South, blacks were second-class citizens who had virtually no rights within the legal system. They were the victims of systematic, degrading discrimination and they could do nothing to get recourse. Sadly, most whites clung to segregation and discrimination because they believed that any relaxation of the discriminatory social code would lead to violence by blacks against whites. The scenario of black men raping white women was continually trumpeted as the threat that whites would face if blacks we not kept in control.

If blacks had resorted to violence, even incidental violence, whites would have retaliated. They would have used the legal system to persecute anyone who had tried to resist, and they would have used extralegal means to terrorize anyone suspected of stepping out line. Further, because whites had control over local media, they would have used that control to sway even national media to view the civil rights movement as a violent rebellion.

By insisting on non-violent action, the civil rights movement stripped much of the moral authority from the white power structure. "

There was a reason why Jesus never resorted to violence. You will know them by their fruits and while a lot of the people surrounding MLK weren't perfect men(Jessie Jackson cutting Obama's nuts off comment), you couldn't say that about a lot of Malcolm X and his detractors which resorted to violence, ended up fighting bitterly against each other and even Huey ended up dying in a crack den. That violence didn't do the black community much good and it certainly didn't ease race relations. At least with MLK we got people like Henry Belefonte.

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A lot of blacks did start appearing on television, in music and there was a ton of integration in the 70s. There was starting to become a black middle class in the 60s for the first time as well.

Yeah there are some racist ass CACs out there but majority of white people aren't like them and you are still legally free to do whatever the fukk you want. If you want to go to med school, you can get in as long as you have the grades to do it. If you just want to become a school teacher, being black is no longer a LEGAL barrier and no one will tell you its illegal to teach at a white school. For those complaining about a white person not liking them personally, you can't legislate someone not liking you. Honestly who gives a fukk? Why do you want to become friends with a racist CAC so bad?
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Find white people who aren't racist and chill with them. You don't need racist white people's approval to do whatever you was to do in life whether its becoming a lawyer, teacher, business owner, professional chef, fireman, doctor, pharmacist, engineer, computer technician, etc.


Its time to build the black middle class and stop making excuses for any lack of self-discipline. I'm going to DAMN WELL make sure black children see me doing big shyt and letting them know they can do the same as well as long as they have the courage to pursue their dreams.
 

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Malcolm was right: he was anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, and was all about black unity, agency and self-determination around the world

KIng wanted to share toilets, restaurants, and other shyt with white people and wanted blacks love the same whites that are blowing up churches and shooting our loved ones...

You tell me who had the right idea about the black experience....
 

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I think Whites had to feel the threat of violence at the time. I think Malcolm was right on the money with the threat of violence if civil rights weren't attained but I think Martin was on the right side of history with his non-violence stance because in the end that is what worked because it allowed Whites to have empathy for our plight.

Had Blacks waged war in the streets we would be like the Native Americans are today, If you see 2 full blooded Native Americans in the same month you'd be surprised. Them cacs would've eradicated us.

Exactly. These hypertension-prone nikkas in here want to fight and kill all CACs without a coherent strategy and without cooperation from their own people. We be dead. I also hate when people shyt on MLK and call him "soft" when he sacrificed more of his upper middle class status for the greater good for all his people. People also like Malcolm for the wrong reasons: as a way for them to kill and harm CACs without first building love and trust from their own people. We needed them both.
 

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MLK easily.
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Malcolm X spits a good game and that waffle colored nikka can talk all the shyt he wants about MLK being an uncle tom but MLK WAS THAT TYPE OF DUDE. All Malcolm X taught black people to do was violence and animosity, suspicion and hatred of white people. I'm not trying to go into an anti muslim tirade but you will know them by their fruits. Teaching us to stoop to the level of those inbred KKK rednecks is not progress or freedom. MLK was the REAL hero and he busted his ass to make sure we don't have to experience what he did.


For you fukkbois complaining about CRA not doing shyt because racism still exist, check yo' self son. The bill was not suppose to magically eliminate racism but prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

" In the 1950s in the American South, blacks were second-class citizens who had virtually no rights within the legal system. They were the victims of systematic, degrading discrimination and they could do nothing to get recourse. Sadly, most whites clung to segregation and discrimination because they believed that any relaxation of the discriminatory social code would lead to violence by blacks against whites. The scenario of black men raping white women was continually trumpeted as the threat that whites would face if blacks we not kept in control.

If blacks had resorted to violence, even incidental violence, whites would have retaliated. They would have used the legal system to persecute anyone who had tried to resist, and they would have used extralegal means to terrorize anyone suspected of stepping out line. Further, because whites had control over local media, they would have used that control to sway even national media to view the civil rights movement as a violent rebellion.

By insisting on non-violent action, the civil rights movement stripped much of the moral authority from the white power structure. "

There was a reason why Jesus never resorted to violence. You will know them by their fruits and while a lot of the people surrounding MLK weren't perfect men(Jessie Jackson cutting Obama's nuts off comment), you couldn't say that about a lot of Malcolm X and his detractors which resorted to violence, ended up fighting bitterly against each other and even Huey ended up dying in a crack den. That violence didn't do the black community much good and it certainly didn't ease race relations. At least with MLK we got people like Henry Belefonte.

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A lot of blacks did start appearing on television, in music and there was a ton of integration in the 70s. There was starting to become a black middle class in the 60s for the first time as well.

Yeah there are some racist ass CACs out there but majority of white people aren't like them and you are still legally free to do whatever the fukk you want. If you want to go to med school, you can get in as long as you have the grades to do it. If you just want to become a school teacher, being black is no longer a LEGAL barrier and no one will tell you its illegal to teach at a white school. For those complaining about a white person not liking them personally, you can't legislate someone not liking you. Honestly who gives a fukk? Why do you want to become friends with a racist CAC so bad?
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Find white people who aren't racist and chill with them. You don't need racist white people's approval to do whatever you was to do in life whether its becoming a lawyer, teacher, business owner, professional chef, fireman, doctor, pharmacist, engineer, computer technician, etc.


Its time to build the black middle class and stop making excuses for any lack of self-discipline. I'm going to DAMN WELL make sure black children see me doing big shyt and letting them know they can do the same as well as long as they have the courage to pursue their dreams.

I absolutely agree. TOo many people think that MLK was some soft, passive dude. People who like Malcom liked him of r all the wrong reasons: They wanted revenge, which in itself is selfish, and not focus on LOVING their own people. That kind of hatred blinds others from building and protecting our own.
 

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@Blackking pretty much nailed it.

And cats thinkin people are siding with MX because they want revenge are extremely lost. Its about standing up for yourself and not being submissive. If you look at the history and laws then you see thats what they tried to make us... submissive. Easy to control. Look at ANY white revolution, they didnt even think about some passive resistance. They know that shyt doesnt accomplish the goal. And by promoting that version of "revolution" they have effectively killed it. They can change ALL the rules on the books if they want, but it doesnt matter of there are no actual real world results.
 
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