Modern Hip Hop production is amazing

[Poitier]

Better then George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, or Quincy Jones?.

* On par

And I think that has to do with their genius more so than the type of production tools they used. Quincy Jones would still make dope production in his prime years, even if he only had a computer to do it because the man is brilliant.

 

[bouncy]

*Harder does not equal better.

Never said that. The point was they hard to do more work then we do and still made some of the best music since the modern era of music. We are still doing their styles of music. That alone tells you how advanced they were. The op wsd claiming its harder now to make banging music when that is far from the truth.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You're

Learn syntax, grammar, and spelling, you ape.

so youre a young, corny little racist white bul.

thanks for telling us.

are you a producer? I mean like a producer producer, not someone who made a couple boom bap inspired beats an posted them on soundcloud?
does this sound like what i posted above?



BTW im not discrediting any other style of music i just think the way these beats sound is underrated, tbh i dont care anymore about how derivative they are, im sayin theyre fukkin deep its hard to explain but some of these r just silly karate chop makes a nikka have a seizure

im not a producer.

I like this beat.

I could do without the unnecessary drums before the pauses tho. they sound like goof noise.

Beats now are way easier to make compared to anytime before the mid 90's. Do you know how much perfection was needed to have all the instruments come in on time, the drummer to stau at the correct bpm, the audio to be recorded as clean possible, have enough money to buy a board with enough tracks, and have a good amount of effects processors to make the sound you want. Then you need to have enough tape to record everything. All of this AFTER mastering your instrument. They made bangers still. Yeah, it is way easier now.

Here's a fun fact for you. EPMD had to loop tape around a room and use a pencil to make a loop of a record since they didn't have a sampler and their first album was a classic. THATS HIP HOP. Make something out of nothing.

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[Poitier]

Never said that. The point was they hard to do more work then we do and still made some of the best music since the modern era of music. We are still doing their styles of music. That alone tells you how advanced they were. The op wsd claiming its harder now to make banging music when that is far from the truth.

I'm not so sure that they were more advance more than that they were born in the right time period. Recorded music is only 100 years old, which is young azz hell. Someone had to create those genres and I'm not so sure they should be given credit because they were born first.

 

[Poitier]

so youre a young, corny little racist white bul.

thanks for telling us.



im not a producer.

I like this beat.

I could do without the unnecessary drums before the pauses tho. they sound like goof noise.



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I'm sugar water Black. I'm a monkey too in whitey's eyes, difference is I'm a bonobo or chimp and you a baboon.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

i think the best music is usually made with a combination of live instruments & electronics.

and like dude said, i cant stand live bands at rap shows.

 

[bouncy]

* On par

And I think that has to do with their genius more so than the type of production tools they used. Quincy Jones would still make dope production in his prime years, even if he only had a computer to do it because the man is brilliant.

You said BETTER.

You're forgetting the reason why quincy is nice is because he understands the ins and outs of musical instruments so he can produce a song since music is nothing but knowing how to create structure out of noise.

 

[Poitier]

You said BETTER.

You're forgetting the reason why quincy is nice is because he understands the ins and outs of musical instruments so he can produce a song since music is nother but knowing how to create structure out of noise.

You might want to read up on Aphex or Square Pusher or FlyLo. Understanding music theory does not require the ability to play instruments. A music program like Logic and Reason is nothing but math, of course the average hood nikka don't understand those intricacies, but don't blame that on electronic instruments vs live instruments

 

[ryshy]

if u wanna get the whole spiel just look at my sig an look up any of those artists, i forgot some great producers i know but those dudes are essentially who im talkin about

 

[The Bilingual Gringo]

Aphex Twin is a better producer than any live instrument player of the last 50 years.

This I'll agree with and say that he's one of the best in the last 50 years. There is some amazing music from him, and the bulk of the Ninja Tune clan, moreso from the late 90's and early 00's.

However, I can't put the two together to say that Lex Lugar is on par w/ Aphex as far as beat making. When I hear these "trap" beats, snap beats, etc. I hear the same electronic snare, the same drum cascade, and the same basic structure. I liken a lot of this music to reggeaton. The same structure is there, it's just a matter of layering.

 

[ryshy]

You might want to read up on Aphex or Square Pusher or FlyLo. Understanding music theory does not require the ability to play instruments. A music program like Logic and Reason is nothing but math, of course the average hood nikka don't understand those intricacies, but don't blame that on electronic instruments vs live instruments

electronic is just as musical as live instruments (not arguin wit u btw)

its the same shyt right now im messin wit pads and live instrument samples like flutes an shyt, same thing just without learning how to actually play them. The midi keyboard is the live instrument, controlling different sounds. Same thing, i guess some people just like hearing improv live music/practiced skill with an instrument. I can respect that.

I need to stop flooding this thread with posts lol

 

[ThaRealness]

Dude you posted terrible examples for the most part

This is true though.. Some of the beats I hear these days are astonishing. It didnt used to be like this 5 years ago..

 

[Poitier]

This I'll agree with and say that he's one of the best in the last 50 years. There is some amazing music from him, and the bulk of the Ninja Tune clan, moreso from the late 90's and early 00's.

However, I can't put the two together to say that Lex Lugar is on par w/ Aphex as far as beat making. When I hear these "trap" beats, snap beats, etc. I hear the same electronic snare, the same drum cascade, and the same basic structure. I liken a lot of this music to reggeaton. The same structure is there, it's just a matter of layering.

Yeah Lex is no Aphex but all guys like Aphex and Burial did was take simple rap production from hood dudes and made it "intelligent" because they have that music theory background. It's a matter of education which is inaccessible to a guy like Lex or whoever.

 

[bouncy]

You might want to read up on Aphex or Square Pusher or FlyLo. Understanding music theory does not require the ability to play instruments. A music program like Logic and Reason is nothing but math, of course the average hood nikka don't understand those intricacies, but don't blame that on electronic instruments vs live instruments

I agree with you BUT you still have to play to make the theory reality. Some things work that shouldn't in theory. Public enemy and NWA's first two albums are proof of this. Also you dont.need to know music theory to make great.music if you know your instruments, most black artists.in the past are.proof of this BUT knowing it will allow you to be quicker, and make.different sounds.or structures. If you can di both and.have a creative.brain you will be dangeroys.

Btw, I dont agree.that someone playing electronic instruments is.less soulful in sound.then a natural instrument because.they are basically the same thing. Plus a lot of classic records were.made.with synthesizers, they just actually play the sounds properlly while now.they usually just play the sound in a continuous pattern which gives the feeling of lacking soul or just being.repetative.

On a wackass tab so pass.over spelling errors.

 

[The Bilingual Gringo]

Yeah Lex is no Aphex but all guys like Aphex and Burial did was take simple rap production from hood dudes and made it "intelligent" because they have that music theory background. It's a matter of education which is inaccessible to a guy like Lex or whoever.

This is true, most of the Ninja tune people were nothing more than hip-hop heads that saw it turn to shyt and they went into their own direction.

My ears never got used to the new sound from what you've posted above. I enjoy electronic music a lot, and if I'm going slower BPM, I'll take trip-hop over a lot of that above. I applaud them for doing their thing, but it's not my bag.

EDIT: On a side note, it's actually dope to hear someone that recognizes other stuff like Aphex Twin in The Booth