Not to sound like a stan but I think it's silly to try and discredit Havoc because he was "mentored" by other producers.
You gotta remember this was early 90s music production. Long before a wannabee producer can just download FL studios for free and look at tutorials on youtube, and start making beats laying down with your laptop in your lap. You had to actually invest in hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars of HARDWARE. All in a time period where the mim wage was like $3.00. So it's only logically that if you wanted to produce during that time, find a big homie or someone who already has everything since you can't afford it, and naturally they'll give you a few pointers as well just out of love since you are using their equipment.
In this regard, you talembout the guy who ushered in the whole technical emcee revolution as standard in all of the culture.
To usher out the b*stardized and overly commercial and compromised styles war era.
So, you can't give havoc more credit than nas at all.
As nas, did this on his own and Continued to build on.
how to be a feature artist that excels from skill output in the business of rap.
Havoc, again was qtip and blackmoon/evil dee protege.
Plus socially hav was just more social in the projects than nas as well.
As all the other emcees never socially was gracious to nas and had negative jealous views about the kid that created disconnect.
Or they needed a new record deal and had to get an avatar to fakin jax with using a voice over talent to make it.
So, nas was alone in his development as an emcee.
Plus, after big L, the next evolution of skill for the hardcore bboy era that ushered out the styles war era.
Nas was that much better than anyone who was on his level.
Or a guy like big l, Redman, percee p, k solo, jeru, doc.
who were viewed as the guys who pushed the skills of emcee'n by an unknown feature on posse cuts to obscene levels of greatness.
Plus, when you listen to the enfamous.
you can hear the native tongues qtip influence. all throughout the release in every aspect of the entire album.
As mobb deep is pretty much q tip's cultural answer.
to people saying new York rap needed to come.
from a first person cowboy edict damning perspective like westcoast gangsta rap.
Art Barr
