More racist: United States or Europe?

[filial_piety]

I was in the republic of adygea good times

sounds good. I'm thinking of heading back to hit Siberia via the Trans-Siberian. I'm just not big on doing another VISA app and paying the fee.

Funny thing is, both you and I have been there and are pretty much saying the same thing. While those who haven't believe otherwise.

The way some of these guys talk you would think they had hoards of bat wielding, tattooed up neo nazis waiting at the airport inspecting everyone. And in all honesty, I'd probably be more worried about that stuff in a place Iowa or Alabama than in Russia.

 

[resurrection]

So watchu talking about?

Hence the phrase "from what I understand" - ya know, like, second hand accounts.

 

[Heretic]

So watchu talking about?



To be honest, those people probably just saw you as an American, and if they were interested in knowing about the States it's probably to see if the idea they have about it is really the truth. Remember, us Europeans have been getting a steady diet of Bush/Palin/Romney, read crazy stories about anti-abortion extremists, Creationists, NRA and shyt, so some may want to know how fukkups like those are even possible. If you're colored, they're more likely to ask YOU about it, because those things are (rightly or not) generally associated with white americans. It's like it's actually "safer" to ask you than a white american.

To answer, first of all it's stupid to compare a continent to a country, but I the impression that some people really believe Europe is a country

So obviously you have VERY different realities, due to some countries being closer to Africa/the Arab world, some countries having a colonial history, some countries having better economies than others. I think you will encounter some "light" racism in looking for a job/appartment, in certain bars or whatever, but the guys who are full-out racist (not many) are out there in the open. But to be honest, I've been in Europe (France, Belgium, Italy, travelled to Spain, Poland, Estonia, Croatia, Netherlands, UK) for 16 years and only have like four-five clear racists events, and that shyt wasn't even threatening, just annoying.

I think a BIG difference between Europe and the US is that even through slavery, the Black Man has been part of the scenery for centuries in the US. GRanted, through slavery and discrimination, but Black people were always there. On the contrary, there were like NO black people in some European countries until like 30 years for some, even less for others. So even though there is racism in the US, i don't know, I get the feeling that it's different than here where the fact of being black is still very much a novelty. Not sure if my point is clear tho.

I agree with that. Honestly I couldn't figure it out, but I think you're dead on as far as why people were so friendly.

 

[mbewane]

Hence the phrase "from what I understand" - ya know, like, second hand accounts.

Oh ok, it's just that you had the "never been fortunately". Don't rely too much on second hand accounts, you end up missing a lot...If I had I would never have gone to Italy (EVERYONE seems to think it's like the Fourth Reich or something) and it was probably the best year and a half in my life so far.

I guess what I'm saying is go out and find out for yourself

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Europe...Places like Spain and Italy are beyond racist they show it in public

Cause of Soccer Games?

I've been to Italy and Spain and they could not have treated me better. The people who go to soccer games are basically the red necks of Europe.


I drove through this town in Virginia once and went to the Mcdonalds in the middle of the night. Everyone looked at me like . Im pretty sure they spit in my sandwich so I only ate the fries.

 

[Turenne]

The people who go to soccer games are basically the red necks of Europe.

Repped.

 

[Classy X]

sounds good. I'm thinking of heading back to hit Siberia via the Trans-Siberian. I'm just not big on doing another VISA app and paying the fee.

Funny thing is, both you and I have been there and are pretty much saying the same thing. While those who haven't believe otherwise.

The way some of these guys talk you would think they had hoards of bat wielding, tattooed up neo nazis waiting at the airport inspecting everyone. And in all honesty, I'd probably be more worried about that stuff in a place Iowa or Alabama than in Russia.

I have to agree with you here. As I said in another post, if you're from the Caucasus or Central Asia, you're much more likely to get attacked then being Black.

However, I think being Black and traveler with an American, Canadian, or British citizenship keeps you safer then being a Black and immigrant there from a third world country (and Europe).

 

[Virtuous_Brotha]

Racism in Russia - YouTube

why do black people even go to russia... anywhere in the world as a black man you'd go to live in fukking rusia?? might as well comit that

 

[MikelArteta]

sounds good. I'm thinking of heading back to hit Siberia via the Trans-Siberian. I'm just not big on doing another VISA app and paying the fee.

Funny thing is, both you and I have been there and are pretty much saying the same thing. While those who haven't believe otherwise.

The way some of these guys talk you would think they had hoards of bat wielding, tattooed up neo nazis waiting at the airport inspecting everyone. And in all honesty, I'd probably be more worried about that stuff in a place Iowa or Alabama than in Russia.

Cosign, like I said before Russia is a big big ass country,bto paint it all with a bad brush is insane.

Considering I was with my girl at the time who is Russian, just the two of us at domodedovo airport even walked the streets of Moscow that night if anyone were to be messed with would be the skinny black guy with a blonde hair Russian.

Even in her town I went to malls, stores and people were friendly,
Asking to touch my hair, or take a picture of me.

Also went to Kiev Ukraine no problems either, same with Romania.

Now would I go to a soccer match, or some poor hood where most of these skinheads operate nope

By Watching YouTube you would think skinheads are on every corner waiting to bash your head in and you have to have the antifa number in your phone on speed dial



There's about 70,000 black / mixed folks in Russia
Some have been their for generation


Hell there is a good amount of blak players playing basketball there for 50-75k a year

They ain't getting beat up are they

 

[Patrick Kane]

Definitely Europe. More so the Eastern European countries.

 

[Classy X]

There's about 70,000 black / mixed folks in Russia
Some have been their for generation

Oh wow, really? I didn't know that.

Interesting.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Cosign, like I said before Russia is a big big ass country,bto paint it all with a bad brush is insane.

Considering I was with my girl at the time who is Russian, just the two of us at domodedovo airport even walked the streets of Moscow that night if anyone were to be messed with would be the skinny black guy with a blonde hair Russian.

Even in her town I went to malls, stores and people were friendly,
Asking to touch my hair, or take a picture of me.

Also went to Kiev Ukraine no problems either, same with Romania.

Now would I go to a soccer match, or some poor hood where most of these skinheads operate nope

By Watching YouTube you would think skinheads are on every corner waiting to bash your head in and you have to have the antifa number in your phone on speed dial



There's about 70,000 black / mixed folks in Russia
Some have been their for generation


Hell there is a good amount of blak players playing basketball there for 50-75k a year

They ain't getting beat up are they

Another interesting fact about russians is that the majority have mongolian blood somewhere down the line from when the Mongols ran through russia. This is why russian women have a real distinct asiaticesque look compared to western europeans. If you are brolic in europe i think you'll have a lot less problems with demonic bigots then if you look fragile and weak.

 

[Classy X]

Another interesting fact about russians is that the majority have mongolian blood somewhere down the line from when the Mongols ran through russia. This is why russian women have a real distinct asiaticesque look compared to western europeans. If you are brolic in europe i think you'll have a lot less problems with demonic bigots then if you look fragile and weak.

Well, Russia is apart of Asia (I don't think many people realize how diverse Asia is and that it goes beyond China, Japan, and Korea) and for a while, they did have much more of an Eastern influence, if you will, then an Euro influence.

However, a lot of that changed when Peter the Great rolled in.

 

[filial_piety]

I have to agree with you here. As I said in another post, if you're from the Caucasus or Central Asia, you're much more likely to get attacked then being Black.

However, I think being Black and traveler with an American, Canadian, or British citizenship keeps you safer then being a Black and immigrant there from a third world country (and Europe).

Oh yeah. I think people from Central Asia are usually considered and treated similar to how poor Mexicans are in the US. I think many of them are seen as intruders and not legitimately being there. I saw quite a few guys from Tajikistan in Russia and they had a lot of the nuances that the poor Mexicans here have such as being a cheap source of labor. A lot of them were visibly poor and homeless or living in less than ideal circumstances.

But I alluded to what you said in another post, from my experience, AAs traveling abroad in Europe aren't really treated any different than white folks with the same income. From what I've seen nationality and culture are what people look at. Like in Italy, there's a big difference from being a Somalian and being a black guy from NY. And it's really not a color issue. People can tell that you are American simply due to how you dress, talk, walk, your hair cut etc etc. It stands out.

 

[filial_piety]

Another interesting fact about russians is that the majority have mongolian blood somewhere down the line from when the Mongols ran through russia. This is why russian women have a real distinct asiaticesque look compared to western europeans. If you are brolic in europe i think you'll have a lot less problems with demonic bigots then if you look fragile and weak.

Just from what I've noticed, it really depends on the region. Like His_ said, it's a big country. People who are native to places like St. petersburg for example tend to resemble other whites from other Scandanvian countries (i.e. blonde hair, dirty blonde, light brown etc with blue eyes) which makes sense because that city is closer to places like Finnland, Sweden, etc. And others, especially further East into Siberia tend to look Asian or a mix of some sort (think Joseph Stalin). The further east, and more isolated, the more they look straight up Asian...which again makes sense because it borders China, Mongolia and Central Asia.