More than 60 ppl shot in Chicago over July 4th weekend

[Dr. Acula]

No you don't lol.

Where are you getting these 60 murders from this article, nowhere does the article op posted said anything about 60 murders lol.

This nikka keeps making up numbers lol

Nordic countries? Some of these nordic countries do not have the same size population when compared to Chicaco lol.

Switzerland has a population of 8.01 million. Chicago has a population of 2.719 million
They also have some of the highest gun ownership rates in the world (31-61% of the population owns guns)
Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They had 173 attempted and completed homicides IN THE WHOLE YEAR of 2014. Chicago in one weekend in attempts is a little less than half of that.

 

[re'up]

Those are really concerning numbers....Perhaps not if you viewed as a trend on a downward swing, but that's more people shot and more killed then places like Juarez, Tijuana, Culiacan, places in a third world country, beset by drug cartel violence. Granted, there are population differences, but slight in some cases.

As for the discussion of bootstraps and choices......It's incredibly arrogant to assume others are choosing not to make the right choices, and have the same 'choices' you did. Even if two people, living in the same half mile radius, in similar socioeconomic conditions, they are not going to have the same exact upbringing and factors. Personality, family, life experiences, influences, etc etc. All this shapes you. It's not a fukking coincidence lower socioeconomic conditions equals more crime. The overwhelming choices./options presented to you in those environments will not take you far from the block. It doesn't mean you'll be a killer and a gangster, but you'll likely never ascend more further past poverty. It's simply the easiest and most natural progression, same way blue blooded kids from Boston or Newport, Connecticut whatever the fukk, their natural progression is Ivy league or other universities, and affluent positions....They were born into that spot.

Also, keep in mind, if you look at maps of violence in Chicago, and study closely, (Ny Times did a good piece 2 weeks ago) you'll see the violence is confined to select areas, and also select groups of people. Yet, many are unintentional victims of gunfire.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Switzerland has a population of 8.01 million. Chicago has a population of 2.719 million
They also have some of the highest gun ownership rates in the world (31-61% of the population owns guns)
Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They had 173 attempted and completed homicides IN THE WHOLE YEAR of 2014. Chicago in one weekend in attempts is a little less than half of that.

The dumb as Switzerland rhetoric again

 

[Absalom's Thought]

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[Dr. Acula]

The dumb as Switzerland rhetoric again

outside of saying "Thats dumb" you have anything else to ad? BTW Economics is not the end all be all reason for why this situation exists. Nor is it all due to a nebulous underground white supremacist influence. We can discuss those things and definitely admit they play some part but the issue I have with dudes sometimes is that you use it as window dressing for some serious cultural issues that exist in the black community. A lot of these other issues we talk about are less important than the broken family in the black community. Its like you dudes sometimes put your head in the sand to talk around the fact that this is a unique issue in the black community that exists and some of it is due to internal issues in the community. There are some things black folks can do to fix this, the main one being the single parenthood rates. Last census has 73% of black parents being single parents. Its hard enough if you're poor and you have to work 14 hours to support your family that you can't be at home to be a really involved parent. This makes the situation worse when you have high crime and degeneracy in the neighborhood to fill in that void and play an influence.

We have areas in this country, particularly in appalacia that have poverty levels worse than say south side chicago hoods and they don't have these same rates of violent crime. They have increased crime levels so you can make the argument that it does play some role but to put it all on poverty would suggest they should see higher rates of violent crime which they don't.

Sick of people dancing around the pure honest truth here which is that there is a violent crime issue in the black community and there are some more direct solutions that we can be doing internally to fix the issue instead of finding "well" "if" "ands" and "buts" to not have a direct admittance to this fact and to ease our collective conscious.

A lot of dudes do this song and dance out of fear they will be given ammo and credence to white supremacists as a coping mechnism. However, I'm of the opinion of saying fukk their opinion and they will always find a reason to hate you. Don't let them factor into your thinking.

 

[Unknown Poster]

i swear to god..its like the only purpose of these threads is just for the OP to get a plat thread. you dont care about any of those people that were shot and or killed. your peddling black violence porn at this point and its sickeninh.

 

[B86]

Nobody gave up on it. There are people still people out fighting right now. For some reason you'd like to ridicule them as making excuses.


Rights and opportunity are not passed out equally in this country.


Seems you only know black people from what you read in these stories. Which is what @mcdivit85 was getting at. These stories have become a way to disparage black people as a whole and are not a call for a solution

In reality black people are better off in every demonstrable metric now than we were in the past and we are continually making more progress despite the abject inequality we face.

As bad as crime is in Chicago today, it's still at a low level historically, while black achievement is at its pinnacle.

Again if you want to address an issue, all of the facts must be put in proper context otherwise you are just blowing hot air

I'm done responding. I tell you I grew up just like these dudes but you're trying to tell me I know "black people" from these stories. It sounds like you don't know black people period, or at least not the ones in poverty/lower class, like you tried to speak on.

My nikka I've lived in Atlanta, Charlotte, San Antonio, and Pittsburgh...it's the same exact situation no matter where ya at. How you gonna tell me?

 

[GoldTeef]

My city had 0 the last 2 weeks

my city has only had 1 shooting this year and it happened in march


I love being able to walk outside 3 am without worrying about being harmed by another human being

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I'm done responding. I tell you I grew up just like these dudes but you're trying to tell me I know "black people" from these stories. It sounds like you don't know black people period, or at least not the ones in poverty/lower class, like you tried to speak on.

My nikka I've lived in Atlanta, Charlotte, San Antonio, and Pittsburgh...it's the same exact situation no matter where ya at. How you gonna tell me?

Don't matter where you've lived.

Your posts here show that you are ignorant on the issue, and it's probable solutions

 

[blackzeus]

I've been wary of these types of articles for awhile. Chicago has become the new buzzword for white supremacists. So, any time one can use Chicago as a means to send white supremacist dog whistles, the media generally obliges all too often. No different than "thug", "black on black crime, "muslim", etc.

Not to mention, there has been several instances where Chicago Police have been confirmed or alleged to inciting these "shootings." One such was what looked to be an undercover cop shooting in a South side Chicago neighborhood in broad daylight, then making a bee line to a car while a partner watched his back. This was caught on a dash cam of a truck unbeknownst to the men shooting.

I have a hard time believing that every single extended weekend in Chicago culminates in legions of black men shooting each other just for the sake of it. This narrative is all too convenient and contrived. And spread by people who care nothing about these people but have a vested interest in criminalizing these people in order to fill prisons and give credence to violence against them by the police and even militias.

Yes, there are systemic issues plaguing Chicago, which lead to violence. But unless people want to discuss the white supremacist system that creates the environment of poverty, depravity and desolation that leads to said violence, only is only looking to continue their "black get back" narrative.

Peace

Best post in this thread. It's very common in LA where cops used to shoot up a turf, tag the turf with the rivals sign, and then bounce. No way in hell every cotdamn day nikkaz are randomnly shooting like that. I wholeheartedly believe some of these shootings are sponsored by the Chicago PD and/or the Feds real talk. There's no money in peace

 

[MeachTheMonster]

outside of saying "Thats dumb" you have anything else to ad?

The comparison to Switzerland a purposefully ignorant comparison. It should not be brought up in these conversations.

BTW Economics is not the end all be all reason for why this situation exists. Nor is it all due to a nebulous underground white supremacist influence. We can discuss those things and definitely admit they play some part but the issue I have with dudes sometimes is that you use it as window dressing for some serious cultural issues that exist in the black community. A lot of these other issues we talk about are less important than the broken family in the black community. Its like you dudes sometimes put your head in the sand to talk around the fact that this is a unique issue in the black community that exists and some of it is due to internal issues in the community. There are some things black folks can do to fix this, the main one being the single parenthood rates. Last census has 73% of black parents being single parents. Its hard enough if you're poor and you have to work 14 hours to support your family that you can't be at home to be a really involved parent. This makes the situation worse when you have high crime and degeneracy in the neighborhood to fill in that void and play an influence.

More ignorance and white supremacist talking points

We have areas in this country, particularly in appalacia that have poverty levels worse than say south side chicago hoods and they don't have these same rates of violent crime. They have increased crime levels so you can make the argument that it does play some role but to put it all on poverty would suggest they should see higher rates of violent crime which they don't.

And yet more ignorance

Sick of people dancing around the pure honest truth here which is that there is a violent crime issue in the black community and there are some more direct solutions that we can be doing internally to fix the issue instead of finding "well" "if" "ands" and "buts" to not have a direct admittance to this fact and to ease our collective conscious.

A lot of dudes do this song and dance out of fear they will be given ammo and credence to white supremacists as a coping mechnism. However, I'm of the opinion of saying fukk their opinion and they will always find a reason to hate you. Don't let them factor into your thinking.

Still going

Now I would normally take a bit of time to debunk this nonsense you just typed up. But from posting on this site I've learned that your type isn't interested in truth or reality. You'll just double down on ignorance, and I'd be wasting my time.

Carry on buddy

 

[Dr. Acula]

The comparison to Switzerland a purposefully ignorant comparison. It should not be brought up in these conversations.


More ignorance and white supremacist talking points


And yet more ignorance


Still going

Now I would normally take a bit of time to debunk this nonsense you just typed up. But from posting on this site I've learned that your type isn't interested in truth or reality. You'll just double down on ignorance, and I'd be wasting my time.

Carry on buddy

Ok breh

 

[Big Boda]

I've been wary of these types of articles for awhile. Chicago has become the new buzzword for white supremacists. So, any time one can use Chicago as a means to send white supremacist dog whistles, the media generally obliges all too often. No different than "thug", "black on black crime, "muslim", etc.

Not to mention, there has been several instances where Chicago Police have been confirmed or alleged to inciting these "shootings." One such was what looked to be an undercover cop shooting in a South side Chicago neighborhood in broad daylight, then making a bee line to a car while a partner watched his back. This was caught on a dash cam of a truck unbeknownst to the men shooting.

I have a hard time believing that every single extended weekend in Chicago culminates in legions of black men shooting each other just for the sake of it. This narrative is all too convenient and contrived. And spread by people who care nothing about these people but have a vested interest in criminalizing these people in order to fill prisons and give credence to violence against them by the police and even militias.

Yes, there are systemic issues plaguing Chicago, which lead to violence. But unless people want to discuss the white supremacist system that creates the environment of poverty, depravity and desolation that leads to said violence, only is only looking to continue their "black get back" narrative.

Peace

Straight facts dapped and repped.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

No you don't lol.

Where are you getting these 60 murders from this article, nowhere does the article op posted said anything about 60 murders lol.

This nikka keeps making up numbers lol

Nordic countries? Some of these nordic countries do not have the same size population when compared to Chicaco lol.

Switzerland has a population of 8.01 million. Chicago has a population of 2.719 million
They also have some of the highest gun ownership rates in the world (31-61% of the population owns guns)
Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They had 173 attempted and completed homicides IN THE WHOLE YEAR of 2014. Chicago in one weekend in attempts is a little less than half of that.

I said some nordic countries do not have the same size when compared to Chicaco, then this clown goes and gets the Switzerland like I did not know Switzerland is larger than Chicago. This guy is an idiot, why did you think I said some nordic countries lol.

In your older post you said some nordic countries do not have more than 60 murders, then you turn around and post facts saying Switzerland had 173 attempted and completed murders, well that's over 60 dumbass lol

Also Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I'm going to make a Wikipedia page about myself and say I was the first billionaire in the USA lol.

 

[JackRoss]

I wonder how many Hispanics were involved in some of these shootings