Most annoying hip hop revisionist "facts" ?
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Beastie Boys being legends.
5thbornpowerseed
All Star
B boys breaking in 96? That's some revisionist shyt .
I was slam dancing to onyx mop and mobb deep in that era. Not in the club's but house parties and the like
5thbornpowerseed
All Star
Top 5 . shyt changed the game.
The producers who worked on the album did a behind the scenes on video music box talking how Nas was this new beast. That shyt ain't never happen before where insiders where basically crowning Nas before his album even dropped.
And yes it was an east coast New York thing but at the time every scene was regional except New York and LA . So saying illmatic isn't goat status is revisionist
Boonapalist
Superstar
Dr Dre never producing anything and always used ghost producers.
I revise hip hop based on my thinking not the facts 
I'm seeing a lot of people just taking the opportunity to disagree with/hate, very few posts that I would call revisionist "facts" that have been perpetuated.
A couple that I agree with:
- Everybody had ghostwriters (fakkits trying to cover up for Drake)
- 2pac was considered GOAT before we were even having the conversation
- Jay Z, a gold artist somehow being "irrelevant" in 96
Some others that actually fit the basis of the thread IMO
- The omission of Schooly D in regards to being a founder of "gangsta rap"
- Eminem sounding like Masta Ace post DA when it's the other way around, factually.
- The south "destroyed" the integrity of Hip Hop when one of if not the biggest culprit was from the east coast (Can you guess who?)
- NWA being perceived as some sort of pro-black revolutionary group due to the movie.
- The so called "Caucasian invasion" taking place due to visibility of more white rappers...when more rappers are visible period. White folks "invaded" a long time ago, the percentage of white rappers is still about the same and it's still less than a handful of white MC's that have as much as a gold record.
How in the fukk can someone saying THEY thought a record was good be revisionist? That shyt had a 4 star thread on a forum that generally hates Eminem.
Also there's a difference between best and favorite to listen to. It's not his artistic or lyrical peak but considering one of the knocks on his earlier albums is beat selection it's no surprise that some people really enjoyed the album that has his best overall production package. People think of Em as being joined at the hip to Dre musically but the reality is that was really the first album where Dre had the lions share of the production...before that it was like 3 beats at max with him mix/mastering.
A couple that I agree with:
- Everybody had ghostwriters (fakkits trying to cover up for Drake)
- 2pac was considered GOAT before we were even having the conversation
- Jay Z, a gold artist somehow being "irrelevant" in 96
Some others that actually fit the basis of the thread IMO
- The omission of Schooly D in regards to being a founder of "gangsta rap"
- Eminem sounding like Masta Ace post DA when it's the other way around, factually.
- The south "destroyed" the integrity of Hip Hop when one of if not the biggest culprit was from the east coast (Can you guess who?)
- NWA being perceived as some sort of pro-black revolutionary group due to the movie.
- The so called "Caucasian invasion" taking place due to visibility of more white rappers...when more rappers are visible period. White folks "invaded" a long time ago, the percentage of white rappers is still about the same and it's still less than a handful of white MC's that have as much as a gold record.
Relapse is Eminems best album.
How in the fukk can someone saying THEY thought a record was good be revisionist? That shyt had a 4 star thread on a forum that generally hates Eminem.
Also there's a difference between best and favorite to listen to. It's not his artistic or lyrical peak but considering one of the knocks on his earlier albums is beat selection it's no surprise that some people really enjoyed the album that has his best overall production package. People think of Em as being joined at the hip to Dre musically but the reality is that was really the first album where Dre had the lions share of the production...before that it was like 3 beats at max with him mix/mastering.
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Lucky Me
Woke Up Blessed
prophecypro
Hollywood North
Dipset were the Wu-Tang of the 2000s!
Lil Wayne Squad up series is what gain him credibility and notoriety as an MC. This is what propelled him into the Carter series.
This is the best answer and this thread and there is a never ending romanticizing of the 90s of on this board. You also have to add when people say "this wouldn't have been allowed in the 90s" or you would have got kicked out of rap for that in the 90s
Jeezy was the hottest rapper in 06. You can't compare a grassroots buzz that took over the world with rappers that have strong and established fanbases.
Some real revisionist:
No Limit love nowadays was non-existent during the time. At least to "Real" hip hop fans. They thought Master P and Silk were awful and that No Limit flooded the market with sub par music and were a terrible fad. Now everyone acts like they made a bunch of classic albums and they were chock full of great rappers. Only rapper people halfway respect on No Limit was Fiend before Mystikal came on board
Everyone hated the Mase/Diddy shiney suit era, but just like No Limit, time has turned "Harlem World" album into a classic
Rappers in the 90s were really gangsta. Nah, most of them nikkas was frauds and pussies too, just not as many because there wasn't as many rappers. And we just didn't have social media to easily expose them like we do now.
Bone Thugs was novelty rap, they weren't considered this great group at the time, they were just the really popular group that raps fast but nobody knows what they're saying
By 1999 Nas had fallen off completely in terms of respectability. Not in terms of notoriety, the Hate me Now video probably one of the most popular videos of all time. But Nas being considered in the Rakim elk had been gone at that point. Nas didn't revamp himself til the Jay-Z beef.
Big L being one of the greatest rappers of all-time. Big L was considered a great MC, that made a good but not great debut album and then died. Now you have kids in their teens talking about Big L is a top 5 rapper of all time
You have to make note of the fact of there are different regions in rap.No limit was supremely loved in the south. Mobb Deep and Wu tang were non existent down here.
MBDTF is not a classic.
R.O. Double
Holdin My Balls Since 83
Don't be mad because the Bring Da Ruckus skip sounds better than your favorite producer's cleanest beat
He wasn't a genius for leaving it in the finished track. The nikka just didn't know how to work his fukking equipment.
Dipset was a less dope more mainstream fukkery influenced version of the roots not wu tang