Most of the "ignorant" rappers are more intelligent than the "conscious" ones.

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Mos street nikkas are very intelligent. Its jus that articulating their thoughts outside of the mediums that they are raised in are a challenge.

I rather get business advice from 50 Cent or Baby over J.Cole or Talib Kweli any day of the week :manny:
 

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Mos street nikkas are very intelligent. Its jus that articulating their thoughts outside of the mediums that they are raised in are a challenge.

I rather get business advice from 50 Cent or Baby over J.Cole or Talib Kweli any day of the week :manny:


Right, I get what you're saying. You can either listen to Talib babble about IPOs, diversification and market strategies sounding all intelligent but obviously talking out his ass or Baby telling you to getcho paper up playboy and watch dem white boyz cuz they greasy but knowing it obviously worked for him. Personally I'd rather hear from somebody right down the middle like Jay or Cube or P.
 

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Somewhat true, but to be honest I cringe when I hear ANY rapper attempt to discuss social issues. The only MC I know able to articulate himself without stumbling over basic concepts and depend on cliches is Chuck D. Nas, Lupe, Mos Def, Common, Wyclef, Krs-1,Ice Cube,etc either put forward lazy tropes or depend on Alex Jones type conspiracy theory arguments and think they are dropping knowledge (Immortal Technique and Krs are good examples of this). At least with more business minded MC's (I'm talking about the few dudes who make and maintain a high income even when they NOT hot) they can break down things like contracts, liabilities, savings/debt, equity, etc.
 

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Being smart and being conscious are not one in the same. I know a lot of smart 'hood' dudes and a lot of conscious uneducated idiots and everywhere in between.
 

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Lupe is a conscious rapper, Nas and AZ are NOT conscious rappers :wtf:
 

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Well...Mos def being a pathetic simp marrying a video hoe and sounding like an intellectual midget in interviews outside of the studio, the afrocentric queen Erykah Badu poppin out kids with a gazillion men and further perpetuating the single parent problem(one of the biggest issues in the black community by the way). Jill scott, another afrocentric woman that admits to being-as she termed it herself- "dikkmatized" by a deadbeat black man(which...again...is another one of the biggest black woman problems in the community)....

.....yet you have nikkas like TI and Jay-Z, the "shallow rappers" that are actually building a home(remember, a healthy community starts at home), raising their kids in a 2-parent home and building wealth for their families despite not being as "socially concious" as some of these pretentious artists certainly gives credence to your point(although a quite generalised one nonetheless)
 
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You can make this claim in alot of industries, not just music. The separation is work ethic. More dummies graduate from college than intelligent people. Dumb people typically work harder than smart people, smart people are typically lazier than dumb people, ugly people outwork their attractive counterparts, etc.

So if you're ugly and dumb, chances are you put in work.,

O really? Are you just anally fetching these statements or what?
 

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O really? Are you just anally fetching these statements or what?


Didn't mean any harm dog, but it's true. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "dumb", maybe less intelligent? This doesn't mean that retarded people are walking around with degrees or nothing, but as the saying goes, "those who can't, teach" and you gotta have a degree to teach or coach. Also it's been scientifically proven that less attractive people work harder than their attractive counterparts out of necessity, so no ass-fetching there. Most of our technological advances come from laziness, folks like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison (both college dropouts) and the like found the balance between their lethargy and their work ethic which is awesome, but for most people it doesn't work like that otherwise we'd all fukking be Bill Gates!

I've also seen studies that show that C students in high school are consistently C students in college, which means what? They graduate! Where half of A students in high school taper off tremendously in college so much so that they either dropout, or fail and take longer than expected to graduate; the other half remain consistent.

All I was saying Dooby is that the logic that the OP applied to rappers can be applied across the board. If you've ever met some of these billionaire oil tyc00ns out here in Texas you'd know what I mean.
 

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You can make this claim in alot of industries, not just music. The separation is work ethic. More dummies graduate from college than intelligent people. Dumb people typically work harder than smart people, smart people are typically lazier than dumb people, ugly people outwork their attractive counterparts, etc.

So if you're ugly and dumb, chances are you put in work.,

Wow this is the dumbest post I've read all day. Without question.
 

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It just seems like you're self conscious about only liking mindless, pop music, so you want to rationalize it by making a bunch of baseless claims.

Its because I went through a phase when I was younger thinking that underground "heady" music was better...and it wasn't.

I was already educated and I looked at music as entertainment...not as a form of information.

Now, I know the difference and just wanted to talk about why its so funny that those who talk about "substance" seem to think that equates to GOOD MUSIC.

If the music is good, then the substance comes second. But you can't lead off with substance thinking you'll make good music.

You might as well write a book or start a blog if thats the case.

Thats why albums like Distant Relatives are so good.
 

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People who are "smart" by definition tend to see things in black and white,right and wrong,yes or no....a characteristic of a nikka who been in the streets is they not bound by the rules neccesarily and spend a lot of time trying to talk they way out of something or into sumthing:mjpls:...and are good at diversion and bringing people around to they way of thinking through persistince,bullshyt or just bringin a new outlook that don't fall under the "black and white" category:russ:...just a different or new way of thinking that's rare in a "black and white world"...so they sumtimes appear smarter bcuz most people only have two levels of thinkin and not a third in the grey area:ufdup:...so smarter or just tend to think outside the box?case by case basis,but really anybody from any level of life who thinks outside the box and ask the "what if's" and "why nots" when it come to life can alotta times come off smarter than the book smart person.

Alotta concious dudes read books and stockpile knowledge but have never really digested it or challenged it in they own mind...so when challenged to defend it they can come off stupid too.


Far as interviews how often are "dumb rappers" taken out of they wheelhouse? Smart rappers get taken out of they wheelhouse a lot and asked questions that are no problem if u really digested the info and didn't just memorize it...but since a lot of them don't do that and people in general don't,they do get taken out of they wheelhouse too and just don't realize it:heh:...thought they knew but they didnt:mjpls:
 

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