Besides that if u got charisma and mouthpiece u can make just about anything sound like you got a point
Most of the "ignorant" rappers are more intelligent than the "conscious" ones.
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fair point, and one that I think is worthy of addressing...but I still think a lot of what you'd call "ignorant rappers" especially the ones that have been around a while, are a lot more worthy of distinction than they appear to be.
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This is probably the realest shyt I ever saw someone say on here.
I tell these fake ass "knowledge" droppers this shyt all the time.
I listen to music to be entertained, if I wanted to learn something I'd pick up a book.
Meanwhile, nikkas watch a couple of YouTube videos on some conspiracy theory bullshyt and run with it without even reading into it and swear they're above people who listen to 2 Chainz, Jeezy, etc.
Wait a minute.....T.I is your example of role model other rappers should aspire to be? The same T.I that tried to ship a military cache's worth of weapons across state lines (and allegedly snitched to get out of serious charges), and while on probation for that charge, got caught with enough ecstasy pills to supply a whole rave resulting in a prison bid. That T.I? Thats the smart one?
And I dont think anyone has ever challenged the fact that Jay z is wealthy, lol. I dont know what that has to do with anything. We know he's rich, dog. Jigga warriors, and camel jockeys reminds us of this every day.
This is too general for me to really tackle this. You almost seem to be saying that music with substance, and it sounding good are mutually exclusive concepts. LIke you have to sacrifice music sounding good for a message. I dunno, I think cats like Public Enemy, Nas, Black Star, Reflection eternal, Mos, Common, ext sound pretty good to me.
Its not like people buy an album to "learn" per say, but to listen to something they can relate to...artists like John Lennon and Marvin Gaye werent singing about sht that people didnt already know about, but they made their music substantive and enjoyable. Even tho I like mainstream rap, especially when Im partying, how the fck can I relate to non-stop ignorance, materialism, and hedonism all the time? I usually have to be liqued to tolerate it.
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No. what I'm saying is that people seem to think that content alone makes good songs.
It doesn't.
It never has. Thats what frustrates backpackers and "purists"
If you want to have a message or send a point...make better music.
Even you talking about 'relating" to something, doesn't matter if the music itself isn't good.
And don't bring up Marvin Gaye or Lennon. AT THAT TIME, that was the extent of all everyone had. Yeah, in retrospect it sounds amazing, but everything you're comparing it to, didn't exist.
I don't even listen to "party" music all the time. I just know not to look down on those that create that sort of content. Thats my point here.
Personally, I'm more liable to listen to house, jazz, and R&B these days. But thats because the music is good, not because they're trying to be something they're not.
Where did I say anything about role models? You do know that you can appreciate certain aspects of a man's strong points while also recognising his faults right? Or is everything just black or white to you?
Despite whatever faults they may have, these two men certainly seem to take pride and do more than enough to hold down their family structure, which is undoubtedly one of the biggest problems in the black community, arguably the biggest infact.
You have artists that preach black love, building the black community blah blah and they can't even hold their own family unit down, having babies left and right with multiple partners, raising kids in that environment has proven to be a disastrous epidemic in the black community. If the artists I used as examples can't even get the fundamental building block of what they are preaching about right, what is the point? What just because they write a pseudo intellectual verse promoting black community growth they get a pass?
Jay-Z is wealthy, TI is rich, that means there is a strong chance that Jay-Z/TI junior won't have to sell poison to his own community like their fathers did in the 80's/90's. It's a very simple (but effective) concept that seemed to have flown over your head for some bizzare reason
If I had to make a choice, I'd rather be the "shallow rapper" that can improve his status financially, raise his family in a two parent household, in the right environment , e.t.c than some broke, disorganised "conscious" rapper that does anything but what he/she preaches, the people I gave as examples seem to fall in the latter category to a certain extent, neither is perfect but I'd be the former instead of the latter anyday
And Camel jockeys?
nikka grow up, I don't indulge in any of the pathetic stan wars and agenda driven posts a lot of people on this board seem to be obsessed it, so miss me with that nonsense.
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Where did I say anything about role models? You do know that you can appreciate certain aspects of a man's strong points while also recognising his faults right? Or is everything just black or white to you?
Despite whatever faults they may have, these two man certainly seem to take pride and do more than enough to hold down their family structure, which is undoubtedly one of the biggest problems in the black community, arguably the biggest infact.
You have artists that preach black love, building the black community blah blah and they can't even hold their own family unit down, having babies left and right with multiple partners, raising kids in that environment has proven to be a disastrous epidemic in the black community. If the artists I used as examples can't even get the fundamental building block of what they are preaching about right, what is the point? What just because they write a pseudo intellectual verse promoting black community growth they get a pass?
Jay-Z is wealthy, TI is rich, that means there is a strong chance that Jay-Z/TI junior won't have to sell poison to his own community like their fathers did in the 80's/90's. It's a very simple (but effective) concept that seemed to have flown over your head for some bizzare reason
If I had to make a choice, I'd rather be the "shallow rapper" that can improve his status financially, raise his family in a two parent household, in the right environment , e.t.c than some broke, disorganised "conscious" rapper that does anything but what he/she preaches, the people I gave as examples seem to fall in the latter category to a certain extent, neither is perfect but I'd be the former instead of the latter anyday
And Camel jockeys?
Wish I could pos rep this.
Damn. this is my favorite account on The Coli.
I wish you'd do an informational ask me anything type thread.
if all you needed was intelligence to make money, nerds would run the world, but that is obviously not the case
Smart people usually work for people a lot dumber than them
you do not have to be intelligent to make money, you do however have to have a desire and an ability to do so
Smart people usually work for people a lot dumber than them
you do not have to be intelligent to make money, you do however have to have a desire and an ability to do so