Ms Jade >>>> Tink

[Jerz-2]

son u can't even be serious wit this shyt u writing...do u think ur opinions change history or some shyt?...or that they automatically = fact?

Yeah, dudes on The Coli got that bad. Like, just because YOU say something wasn't up to par or whatever, doesn't mean that was the general consensus.

Let's not act like that Let Me Blow Your Mind was actually a great song. She had appearances after album 3, but she definitely wasn't poppin.

"Let Me Blown Your Mind" won the Grammy in 2002 for "Best Rap Collab", which was a new category that year. It also won an MTV Video Music Award. So to say it wasn't a great song puts you in a MINORITY that is contrary to what history dictates. It's your opinion ("it wasn't that great") versus the reality (it garnered acclaim and awards).

That's the type of revisionist positionin - whether intentioned or not, cause this ain't personal, @nieman - that distorts the history of the culture over time. I'm TELLIN' y'all in about another 5-10 years you're going to have a whole generation of young cats SWEARING that Drake was the first "singing rapper", it's starting already.

 

[spliz]

no joke my nicca. im from philly. she went to my neighborhood high school.

i remember when she was doing songs with ram squad and went by the name "eve of destruction".

im referring to when she was active nationally. it just 99-02 with ruff ryders. she was in & out, just like @nieman said. and thats how it should be, if you have other money coming in elsewhere. props to eve for not attention-whoring and torturing us with bad albums.

son she was on the Ruff Ryders Anthem remix in on The Professional mixtape back in 98...back when alotta nikkas thought she was Charli Baltimore when they first heard the remix...and yes..I remember the Eve of Destruction days..she has a song by that title prod by Dre on the Bullworth soundtrack..

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Wacky D is right. I remember when Invincible dropped in 01, the perception was that it was "meh". Then the nikka died and then they tried to make that album classic

dudes be acting like fanatics on here all crazy. especially if the artist is deceased.

Yeah, dudes on The Coli got that bad. Like, just because YOU say something wasn't up to par or whatever, doesn't mean that was the general consensus.

"Let Me Blown Your Mind" won the Grammy in 2002 for "Best Rap Collab", which was a new category that year. It also won an MTV Video Music Award. So to say it wasn't a great song puts you in a MINORITY that is contrary to what history dictates. It's your opinion ("it wasn't that great") versus the reality (it garnered acclaim and awards).
That's the type of revisionist positionin - whether intentioned or not, cause this ain't personal, @nieman - that distorts the history of the culture over time. I'm TELLIN' y'all in about another 5-10 years you're going to have a whole generation of young cats SWEARING that Drake was the first "singing rapper", it's starting already.

i think his post went over your head dog.

just because you win awards, it doesnt neccessarily mean that the song was great.

the point he was making was that "let me blow your mind" was just some crossover chit.......meanwhile, youre trying to defend it by using the word "culture". youre violating with that one. RED FLAG.

son she was on the Ruff Ryders Anthem remix in on The Professional mixtape back in 98...back when alotta nikkas thought she was Charli Baltimore when they first heard the remix...and yes..I remember the Eve of Destruction days..she has a song by that title prod by Dre on the Bullworth soundtrack..

ruff ryders anthem remix & the clue tape came out at the tail end of '98.

thats the same thing as '99 breh. eve's run was 9th thru 11th grade. then she came back with that 3rd album, flopped and routed to hollywood. LEGACY SAVED.

 

[spliz]

i admit when im wrong plenty of times. im one of the few people that actually does that on here. i never see you admitting chit tho. you just fade off. and as for the bolded, the only person doing that is you. talembout "i was a DJ" like youre dj clue or somebody.

i never said MJ was shunned or anything like that, but he wasnt anywhere near as popular as he was in the 60s-80s, OR EVEN THE '90s. in fact, he was moreso made a mockery of 90% of the time his name was mentioned by then.

i never said people didnt like "butterfly". i like it myself. it just simply was not amongst the most popular tracks at the time. so what if it was on mixtapes AMONGST 20 OTHER SONGS, or if people were requesting it AMONGST TONS OF OTHER SONGS. what about all those other songs? alot of which were bigger and/or more popular? oh i get it. lets just disregard all that because you love mike. this is always the problem whenever we disagree. the common denominator is always an artit that you love, because you have trouble being objective. just look at the way you tried to damage my character out of nowhere. this exchange wasnt even that deep.

as for lil kim, that notorious kim album was a flop. so what if it was the highest-selling female album of 2000? who the hell else came out that year with a big push? TRINA? i bet eve's album from '99 moved more units in 2000 than lil kim did. and the rest of this is guest appearances and industry stuff, which just proves my point. GLORIFIED INDUSTRY SOCIALITE.

nikka I SAID Eve was bigger than Lil Kim..there's no point in even bringing that up...BUT..Lil Kim DID have the highest selling female album that year...it's a FACT nikka...she ALSO had the highest selling most critically acclaimed female album for the year her NEXT album dropped as well..u can't just ignore shyt like this cause of ur opinion nikka...who the hell do u think u are?..lol..u trippin...u can't say she was done when Biggie died and just ignore that she was successful for every single album she fukkin dropped AFTER he died...nikka these bytches out here adored Lil Kim..there was bytches out in BK who hated Foxy JUST cause Lil Kim didn't like her...as I said before..if it wasn't Eve or Kim...who was it?..and are u dense?...can only ONE song be popular at a time or some shyt?..and if u knew the mixtapes back then u knew that the most popular songs was on EVERY single one...towards the end of the mixtape is where the less popular songs would be...dont play dumb...and like I said..I never said it was the BIGGEST song out there at the time...but I know the popularity of the song from experience...to act like the shyt was barely memorable is retarded...now all of the sudden u liked the song after u said u barely remembered it existing?...cut the bullshyt fam...im not tryna damage ur character?..I didn't insult u...and I don't "love" Eve..or Lil Kim...but to act like an album that sold 13 million records worldwide with no tour or anything is some kinda flop just because United States had a stick up their ass about Michael Jackson is retarded...it didn't do what his last albums before it did...but it would be considered a huge success for anyone else who dropped the album...and the shyt had some dope tracks on it too...Heaven Can Wait..Break of Dawn...Butterflies...You Rock My World...etc etc..he went the more standard RnB route wit that album..didnt really promote it...didnt have a tour associated with it...was going thru mad label issues..and the nikka still went diamond wit that shyt worldwide...

 

[spliz]

Wacky D is right. I remember when Invincible dropped in 01, the perception was that it was "meh". Then the nikka died and then they tried to make that album classic

I don't know anyone who calls the album a "classic"...it's never included when listing his classic albums so this isn't even the argument..

 

[nieman]

U wrong as fukk..just off the fact u said Nicki had the longest success when kim was successful from like 1996 all the way up till after her jail bid...

Not as a rapper, she wasn't. As a celebrity, sure.

 

[spliz]

Not as a rapper, she wasn't. As a celebrity, sure.

wtf is u even sayin?...Lil Kim ALWAYs rapped...Nicki be singing and making pop Katy Perry type records n shyt...on top of that..her first official album dropped in 2010...it's only 2014 and she having a hard time releasing the 3rd one...on top of that...Lil Kim has seen more success OVERALL than Nicki has since the beginning of her career...I don't get this shyt...Lil Kim's last album was released in 03 and got 5 mics in The Source and it was the highest selling female rap album that year...nothing but rap on that..then went to jail..im legit confused at the point u tryna prove...Nicki is the one who be on that "celebrity" pop shyt...

 

[Monoblock]

Wacky D is right. I remember when Invincible dropped in 01, the perception was that it was "meh". Then the nikka died and then they tried to make that album classic

i dont know about people claiming its classic but that album got unfairly shytted on by his record company (Sony) at the time and Tommy Mottola. The album isn't classic but it has some of Mike's best ballads ever. A thread was even made where a lot of us discussed why the album got such bad press at the time.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/michael-jacksons-invincible-is-criminally-underrated.268171/

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

i dont know about people claiming its classic but that album got unfairly shytted on by his record company (Sony) at the time and Tommy Mottola. The album isn't classic but it has some of Mike's best ballads ever. A thread was even made where a lot of us discussed why the album got such bad press at the time.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/michael-jacksons-invincible-is-criminally-underrated.268171/

at the end of the day, sony still gave it enough promotion to be more popular than it was.

im sure there was a personal grudge in there, but lets not act like they just threw the album out there and let it sink either.

O i fully agree. All im saying is Jade was never in a position to blow and people on here really forgetting how big Eve was. There's only a select few females who reach superstar status. Eve was one of them. Being that Jade came out around the time Eve was really popping kinda hurt her cause the inevtiable comparisons being that they both from philly. SMDH at you downplaying the fact she was on a track with MJ.

Like i said im a Ms.Jade stan breh!


As far as Remy she only seemed to be really popping cause she came out at a time where she had no comp. It was litteraly just her at the time she was buzzing with the execption of maybe Shawnna.

nobody is denying how big eve was. she was just on her way out by the time ms jade's album dropped. she wasnt in jade's way. but its like you said, jade wasnt in a position to blow. she was playing for the wrong team.

not downplaying anything. yall act like eve did a song with mike in the '80s or something.

two words will sum this whole shyt up



Who Cares.

/thread

this thread is darn near plat.

YOU DONT LIKE?? YOU DONT BUY!!!

nikka I SAID Eve was bigger than Lil Kim..there's no point in even bringing that up...BUT..Lil Kim DID have the highest selling female album that year...it's a FACT nikka...she ALSO had the highest selling most critically acclaimed female album for the year her NEXT album dropped as well..u can't just ignore shyt like this cause of ur opinion nikka...who the hell do u think u are?..lol..u trippin...u can't say she was done when Biggie died and just ignore that she was successful for every single album she fukkin dropped AFTER he died...nikka these bytches out here adored Lil Kim..there was bytches out in BK who hated Foxy JUST cause Lil Kim didn't like her...as I said before..if it wasn't Eve or Kim...who was it?..and are u dense?...can only ONE song be popular at a time or some shyt?..and if u knew the mixtapes back then u knew that the most popular songs was on EVERY single one...towards the end of the mixtape is where the less popular songs would be...dont play dumb...and like I said..I never said it was the BIGGEST song out there at the time...but I know the popularity of the song from experience...to act like the shyt was barely memorable is retarded...now all of the sudden u liked the song after u said u barely remembered it existing?...cut the bullshyt fam...im not tryna damage ur character?..I didn't insult u...and I don't "love" Eve..or Lil Kim...but to act like an album that sold 13 million records worldwide with no tour or anything is some kinda flop just because United States had a stick up their ass about Michael Jackson is retarded...it didn't do what his last albums before it did...but it would be considered a huge success for anyone else who dropped the album...and the shyt had some dope tracks on it too...Heaven Can Wait..Break of Dawn...Butterflies...You Rock My World...etc etc..he went the more standard RnB route wit that album..didnt really promote it...didnt have a tour associated with it...was going thru mad label issues..and the nikka still went diamond wit that shyt worldwide...

my bad. i didnt peep the bolded.

why do you keep bragging about kim having the highest selling female albums in years where no other big names dropped? and we're bragging about that 5 mic scandal now? she only got 5 cuz mayes was dating her manager. lol. youre looking desperate. whats funny is, you were claiming that i never admit when im wrong, yet youre repeating the same SCUST arguments that didnt work the 1st time. and whats crazy is, IM THE MAIN ONE ON HERE that admits when im wrong.

who the hell do i think i am? IM HOMEBOY RUNNY-RAY.

and no, i dont know the mixtape game.....I LIVED IT. like literally. i had connects and sold them chits, and then later worked in the mixtape spots. theres nothing you can tell me about that mixtape life.

yea i liked butterfly. i never said that i barely knew it existed. I WAS REFERRING TO THE VERSION WITH EVE ON IT. and no, it was not amongst the most popular songs out, so quit fronting like that song was stoppin time. it was mid-range.

i didnt say you loved eve or lil kim. i was referring to . you act like we're talking about Nas whenever mike is brought up.

the united states didnt have a stick up their ass when invincible dropped. people just werent feeling him like that anymore. WHY CANT YOU JUST ACCEPT IT??? some of these songs youre championing were dated and met with lukewarm reactions.

wtf is u even sayin?...Lil Kim ALWAYs rapped...Nicki be singing and making pop Katy Perry type records n shyt...on top of that..her first official album dropped in 2010...it's only 2014 and she having a hard time releasing the 3rd one...on top of that...Lil Kim has seen more success OVERALL than Nicki has since the beginning of her career...I don't get this shyt...Lil Kim's last album was released in 03 and got 5 mics in The Source and it was the highest selling female rap album that year...nothing but rap on that..then went to jail..im legit confused at the point u tryna prove...Nicki is the one who be on that "celebrity" pop shyt...

i dont care about nicki, but you need to come to grips with the fact that the only kim album that mattered was "hardcore".

shes been a celebrity rapper ever since.

 

[Monoblock]

at the end of the day, sony still gave it enough promotion to be more popular than it was.

im sure there was a personal grudge in there, but lets not act like they just threw the album out there and let it sink either.

You need to read that thread.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You need to read that thread.

what does that have to do with my comment?

i remember the promotion it got when it dropped. it wasnt great, but it was enough to generate a bigger buzz than it had. its not like it was some unkown release that got thrown to the wolves. people just werent rockin with it all that heavy. all the promotion in the world cant change people's opinions of the album.

yall just mad that sony didnt throw that album a parade.

and i know all about mottola's antics and all that. "hes a big meanie".

 

[spliz]

at the end of the day, sony still gave it enough promotion to be more popular than it was.

im sure there was a personal grudge in there, but lets not act like they just threw the album out there and let it sink either.





nobody is denying how big eve was. she was just on her way out by the time ms jade's album dropped. she wasnt in jade's way. but its like you said, jade wasnt in a position to blow. she was playing for the wrong team.

not downplaying anything. yall act like eve did a song with mike in the '80s or something.







this thread is darn near plat.

YOU DONT LIKE?? YOU DONT BUY!!!





my bad. i didnt peep the bolded.

why do you keep bragging about kim having the highest selling female albums in years where no other big names dropped? and we're bragging about that 5 mic scandal now? she only got 5 cuz mayes was dating her manager. lol. youre looking desperate. whats funny is, you were claiming that i never admit when im wrong, yet youre repeating the same SCUST arguments that didnt work the 1st time. and whats crazy is, IM THE MAIN ONE ON HERE that admits when im wrong.

who the hell do i think i am? IM HOMEBOY RUNNY-RAY.

and no, i dont know the mixtape game.....I LIVED IT. like literally. i had connects and sold them chits, and then later worked in the mixtape spots. theres nothing you can tell me about that mixtape life.

yea i liked butterfly. i never said that i barely knew it existed. I WAS REFERRING TO THE VERSION WITH EVE ON IT. and no, it was not amongst the most popular songs out, so quit fronting like that song was stoppin time. it was mid-range.

i didnt say you loved eve or lil kim. i was referring to . you act like we're talking about Nas whenever mike is brought up.

the united states didnt have a stick up their ass when invincible dropped. people just werent feeling him like that anymore. WHY CANT YOU JUST ACCEPT IT???







i dont care about nicki, but you need to come to grips with the fact that the only kim album that mattered was "hardcore".

shes been a celebrity rapper ever since.

son..everybody I know who ACTUALLY purchased that album felt it was dope..and that was cause it was..he went the more contemporary RnB route and some his dopest songs he ever did was on that album...that was one of the dopest RnB albums to drop that year actually..the nikka sold 13 million records worldwide BEFORE he died off that album...in the US he sold 2 milli...to act like his album didn't have MAJOR label issues?...this is his FIRST album that wasn't associated with a tour...and like I said..US had a stick up their ass when it came to MJ...that's a fact..not an opinion...we was the only country that consistently shyt on him while everywhere else in the world he was loved....the fact that u tryna shrug the fact that Eve collabed wit Michael Jackson is just retarded...and I mean seriously retarded..no matter HOW u feel about that nikka..he was one of if not the most famous person in the world...u was running around saying straight up delusional shyt like MJ's music didn't stand the test of time..that shyt was one of the most retarded statements I seen on the internet..
Also..I don't need to come to grips with anything..Im not even a fan of Lil Kim like that...but what that nikka said was completely false...period..Kim has had more success on every level as an artist than Nicki...and funny thing is I feel Nicki is better at actual rapping than Lil Kim...but as an artist who puts out music..Nicki doesn't even have a good album...Lil Kim has what's considered a hip hop classic and has a longer and better career as a music artist..

 

[spliz]

You need to read that thread.

he won't cause his memory is the only thing that matters and everyone else is bugging if their shyt doesn't fall in line with his...the fact that he said that people "just mad that sony didn't throw a parade" lets me know he doesn't even remember all the controversy regarding that album and it's promotion..the shyt Mike said about Sony at that time was some other shyt...they dead ass tried to sabotage that album...

 

[Bomberman]

As a rapper, I prefer Ms. Jade just based on presence and voice (as a rapper) from what I've heard of Tink.

But if Tink put together her version of Moving Bass, I'd have to say her ceiling is much higher as an artist. Especially if she got the soundboard down which is why I think Timbo was excited. Artistic talent will always get you further than pure skills as a rapper.

 

[Monoblock]

what does that have to do with my comment?

i remember the promotion it got when it dropped. it wasnt great, but it was enough to generate a bigger buzz than it had. its not like it was some unkown release that got thrown to the wolves. people just werent rockin with it all that heavy. all the promotion in the world cant change people's opinions of the album.

yall just mad that sony didnt throw that album a parade.

and i know all about mottola's antics and all that. "hes a big meanie".

All I'm saying is read the the thread it aint as simple as you making it out to be and the promotion for that album was not good. I dont want to sidetrack this thread so I'll just leave it alone.