My issue is this shyt(X1X) being compared to HIGH END gaming PCs. Its just stupid.-Spliz-

[MeachTheMonster]

No it wasnt. Go back and read. I didnt try to compare a 580 at 1440p at LOWER settings. U either a flat out habitual liar or u have bad comprehension. I said 1440p MAX settings. With an RX 580. I said if u lower the settings to where the One X is. And use the SAME “Dynamic” settings as the One X. At most the One X may hit 4K a little smoother. Based on the extra VRam. Which honestly. The RX 580 has 8gb Vram and the One X has 9gb of VRam available for gaming. Thats only a 1gb vram difference. Which helps a little at 4K resolutions. But doesnt with lower resolutions.

You don't know that, you made it all up. You don't even know what settings the X is on until DF does the full comparison and tells you, and that goes back to my overreaching point. DESPITE DIFFERENCES IN SPEC AND SETTINGS THE USER EXPERIENCE IS VERY COMPARABLE.

And most importantly you CANT get the custom/dynamic settings on PC, therefore you cant try to randomly speculate what a 580 would do in a closed platform scenario

The RX 580 would more than likely beat the One X at 1440p and ESPECIALLY 1080p cause of the weak cpu in the One X. One X couldnt even hold a SOLID 60fps at 1080p in Gears Of War 4. While the RX 580 runs that shyt above 80fps maxed out. Like I said before. That One X cpu is a bottleneck. Bottom line the console cant be compared to high end PCs.

More random speculation, and switched to talking about a whole different game with a whole bunch of different variables.

Bottom line is the X can and IS being compared to high end PCs

When a person sits down with their X and a person sits down with their 1070 they are getting a very similar experience. You need advanced tools and expert analysis to even find and point out the differences.

That's the point. As I said you can split hairs on individual numbers if you want, but what matters is what's on the screen.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

@MeachTheMonster me and @spliz rock 24 teraflops. We game at a different level. The X1X, and I have one, is nice for consoles and 4K owners, but it's not touching what we have.

I get that, I never said it did.

I said it gets you to a similar experience to high(ish) end PC with stuff like the 4K textures and effects on top of the resolution bump.


It's all a matter of perspective, Obviously it's not touching anything with 24 teraflops, so if you got that, obviously the X isn't "high end" but the overwhelming majority of gamers don't have that, so from that perspective X1X is comparable to some of the higher end experiences on PC

 

[Ciggavelli]

I get that, I never said it did.

I said it gets you to a similar experience to high(ish) end PC with stuff like the 4K textures and effects on top of the resolution bump.


It's all a matter of perspective, Obviously it's not touching anything with 24 teraflops, so if you got that, obviously the X isn't "high end" but the overwhelming majority of gamers don't have that, so from that perspective X1X is comparable to some of the higher end experiences on PC

This is a year old, but it goes after the "average" gaming pc owner: These are the Average Gaming PC Hardware Specs (and VR Barely Registers)

It shows that the average PC gaming pc owner ain't seeing VR or 4K. I question if one can even buy a 4K gaming computer for $500. I see what @spliz is saying about the "high end" (and I agree with him), but I also see what you're saying (that most people don't have that shyt). It's all about your reference point. @spliz and I are at the 99% level (3DMark lays it out pretty well). We got different perspectives. Not to be overly diplomatic, but you both are right

 

[daze23]

all these distinctions like "high end" are kinda worthless when talking about PC's. you could say a top-of-the-line GPU is "high end", but then what about when someone has three of those?

 

[spliz]

This is a year old, but it goes after the "average" gaming pc owner: These are the Average Gaming PC Hardware Specs (and VR Barely Registers)

It shows that the average PC gaming pc owner ain't seeing VR or 4K. I question if one can even buy a 4K gaming computer for $500. I see what @spliz is saying about the "high end" (and I agree with him), but I also see what you're saying (that most people don't have that shyt). It's all about your reference point. @spliz and I are at the 99% level (3DMark lays it out pretty well). We got different perspectives. Not to be overly diplomatic, but you both are right

Bro. The One X is a 9gb RX580 with a shytty cpu. RX 580 is a 8gb card. Pair it with a decent cpu and ur seeing One X performance and even better at lower resolutions. Thats not a high end setup. Its a Mid range setup. Which is dope as fukk on console. shyt I copped the console myself. Just received it yesterday. It looks amazing. Im not shytting on it at all. Same way I have the Pro. But im not afraid to tell the truth about it. Same way I did when the base consoles released.

 

[spliz]

all these distinctions like "high end" are kinda worthless when talking about PC's. you could say a top-of-the-line GPU is "high end", but then what about when someone has three of those?

Me and @Ciggavelli have what u would call enthusiast builds. But a 9gb RX580 and paired with a tablet cpu is not “high end” by any stretch. Its mid tier. Even when u account for the console optimization.

 

[spliz]

You don't know that, you made it all up. You don't even know what settings the X is on until DF does the full comparison and tells you, and that goes back to my overreaching point. DESPITE DIFFERENCES IN SPEC AND SETTINGS THE USER EXPERIENCE IS VERY COMPARABLE.

And most importantly you CANT get the custom/dynamic settings on PC, therefore you cant try to randomly speculate what a 580 would do in a closed platform scenario


More random speculation, and switched to talking about a whole different game with a whole bunch of different variables.

Bottom line is the X can and IS being compared to high end PCs

When a person sits down with their X and a person sits down with their 1070 they are getting a very similar experience. You need advanced tools and expert analysis to even find and point out the differences.

That's the point. As I said you can split hairs on individual numbers if you want, but what matters is what's on the screen.

Says the person without a gtx 1070. The games that run 60fps on the One X will run way higher on a GTX 1070. Its not just about maxing games out. Higher end cards are about performance. U dont seem to understand the goal of high end PC gaming. Which is why u keep making this dumb argument.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Me and @Ciggavelli have what u would call enthusiast builds. But a 9gb RX580 and paired with a tablet cpu is not “high end” by any stretch. Its mid tier. Even when u account for the console optimization.

Can't just boil it down to Tflops and call that an apt comparison. There's so many variables and things you cannot directly compare.

Don't know why you are so stuck on the RX580.

When you talk about building a PC that can perform similarly to the X1X and it's gonna cost $600+ and that's without even talking about the small form factor, liquid cooling etc. There's no way you can argue that's "mid" tier when the majority of gamers are using hardware that's well below that level.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Says the person without a gtx 1070. The games that run 60fps on the One X will run way higher on a GTX 1070. Its not just about maxing games out. Higher end cards are about performance. U dont seem to understand the goal of high end PC gaming. Which is why u keep making this dumb argument.

A 1070 isn't giving you enough performance to jump to say 120fps

A difference of 5-15 FPS doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all in user experience.

You need some really strong hardware to take X1X 4K 30fps and turn that into 4K 60fps on pc.

 

[Fatboi1]

A 1070 isn't giving you enough performance to jump to say 120fps

A difference of 5-15 FPS doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all in user experience.

You need some really strong hardware to take X1X 4K 30fps and turn that into 4K 60fps on pc.

Says the person sans a 1070

Dog, I have a 1070 and I played Destiny 2 on it and it easily ran at 4k/60fps.

At 1440P the game can hit up to 165fps.

I'll record a video later you can see with the fps showing.

 

[spliz]

Bottom line. Trying to build a PC with the capabilities of the One X is literally impossible at this point due to inflation of prices when it comes to parts n all kinda shyt. There is NO alternative to the One X at that price point. It can make u “feel” like ur gaming on a high end PC. But it doesnt compare. Especially when u know the capabilities of the high end gaming PC. Nevertheless tho its a great addition to the living room. No question.

 

[spliz]

A 1070 isn't giving you enough performance to jump to say 120fps

A difference of 5-15 FPS doesn't make much of a difference, if any at all in user experience.

You need some really strong hardware to take X1X 4K 30fps and turn that into 4K 60fps on pc.

U are completely wrong. Lol. nikka u obviously never experienced the power of a gtx 1070. Lol. nikka the 1070 will smoke the One X in alotta games. Especially at 1440p. Lol. But in 4K as well. The only games that will give the gtx 1070 trouble at 4K are the games that the One X wouldnt even be able to run at native non dynamic 4K even at at staple 30fps. AC Origins for instance.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Says the person sans a 1070

Dog, I have a 1070 and I played Destiny 2 on it and it easily ran at 4k/60fps.

At 1440P the game can hit up to 165fps.

I'll record a video later you can see with the fps showing.

Don't know how/why your 1070 is so much better than everyone else's.

Even with some settings tweaked it's only getting ~40 here

What kinda 1070 you got breh

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Bottom line. Trying to build a PC with the capabilities of the One X is literally impossible at this point due to inflation of prices when it comes to parts n all kinda shyt. There is NO alternative to the One X at that price point. It can make u “feel” like ur gaming on a high end PC. But it doesnt compare. Especially when u know the capabilities of the high end gaming PC. Nevertheless tho its a great addition to the living room. No question.

How does this even make sense.

There's no way to match it without spending a bunch more money(an amount that MOST gamers won't spend) yet it's still not considered "high end"

shyt makes absolutely no sense

 

[spliz]

How does this even make sense.

There's no way to match it without spending a bunch more money(an amount that MOST gamers won't spend) yet it's still not considered "high end"

shyt makes absolutely no sense

It makes perfect sense. Its a high end console. But getting the equivalent graphics card and components will cost u more trying to build the PC. Meaning theres no match at the price point. Doesnt mean it compares to high end PCs. It means the PC market is price inflated right now. Getting the EQUIVALENT mid tier PC hardware would cost more.