Myth of Nas having wack beats

[TheDarceKnight]

.I could get through a cam or 50 ablum way easier then a full Nas album ...

Honestly it sounds like you might just enjoy listening to Nas less than Cam or 50 is that's really true. And that's cool. No judgement there.

Cam and 50's ears have fallen way the fukk off. Both of them have been picking mad average shyt for years and years now. There are some exceptions. Cam will have some dope joints with AraabMuzik or 50 will have some dope beats from Jake One. But for the most part those few beats are surrounded by super average shyt.

 

[The Dust King]

his beats have never cracked ground or delivered before market expectation.

nas has had multiple albums that fit this description so this is incorrect

he even resampled the same song twice in a row to prove a point

thas as far ahead of the curve as can be

Funny thing is I just finshed watching watching a little brother "whats in my bag" amoeba video, where they actually dissed nas beat selection.


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@3:47

i think LB last album was classic. i knew they never needed 9th honestly.

with that said the album has a consistent sound that was smooth and palatable

but i cant see a whole nas album over they production. just like i dont see a ross one.

justice league is great for orchestrated sounds but i feel like they cant do wat a sean C and LV can do

nas albums are usually very varied from a production sense

Most sensitive...stanbase...ever lmao

honestly breh this narrative is trash too.

if nas got media respect then your comment would hold weight

even in your insult you used the word stan which nas popularized.

If Rap was a prom, everyone would have bad bytches while Nas is going out with a 250 pound BBW with acne.

Alchemist and Dr. Dre in his back pocket and kept settling on doing the beats himself or getting Alex Da Kid.

rap IS a prom already and nas a high school dropout so ya comparison was ass

also nas never had a wack dre or alchemist track. em has had tons

OutKast and Missy Elliott had production that was ahead of the curve.

Still, if Nas had that kind of production in his albums, he would still be criticized. Why? A lot of his critics only like Nas on certain beats. If he goes even a little left with it, they dismiss it as wack. If Nas dropped a song today rhyming over something as crazy as "Bombs Over Baghdad" or "Big Pimpin", people would diss him no matter how dope it sounded. Nas killed his verse on Missy's "Hot Boyz" and still caught flack.

nas caught flack because nobody wanted to hear nas on timbaland smh

the man cant live

who criticized Nas for his verse on Hot Boyz? That beat was tough.

tons of people criticized it and called it wack

1. it was a #1 record and people like to hate mainstream and number 1s/ popular shyt.

2. it was missy and she wasnt respected by hiphop purists and the like

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Dawg simply has a shytty ear for beats.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Funny thing is I just finshed watching watching a little brother "whats in my bag" amoeba video, where they actually dissed nas beat selection.


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@3:47

For what it's worth, this video was filmed before Covid and both these cats like King's Disease production.

i think LB last album was classic. i knew they never needed 9th honestly.

with that said the album has a consistent sound that was smooth and palatable

but i cant see a whole nas album over they production. just like i dont see a ross one.

justice league is great for orchestrated sounds but i feel like they cant do wat a sean C and LV can do

nas albums are usually very varied from a production sense

Just to make a tiny distinction. Phonte said it was his dream to hear Ross pick beats for Nas. He didn't say he wanted to hear Nas over Ross beats. That sounds like a distinction without a difference, but Ross has a good executive producer ear, and he's helped other artists pick beats that maybe wouldn't be perfect for him, but still fit those artists well. I heard it mostly as a compliment to Ross' ear than necessarily hoping for Nas over JUSTICE League production for example.

And BTW I agree their new album sounds more than fine with Nottz, Khrysis, Black Milk, and Focus doing the production, and it's arguably their most consistent album to date.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Dawg simply has a shytty ear for beats.

Did you not fukk with the King's Disease production?

 

[JustCKing]

And he gets that tag just because of who he is. Jay really hasn't done anything groundbreaking with his album content or production. Maybe Blueprint but what Ye and Just' did with the beats on there were just a more streamlined version of what RZA was doing. Nothing no ID did on 4:44 was ahead of the curve and alot of the accolades Jay and anybody associated with that album got was because people felt Jay did a "grown man" album...something Nas did already and with better results (in my opinion) with Life Is Good.

What's funny with Jay is that he's picked wack beats from dudes that are industry hitmakers and superproducers (Pharell, Timbo, Swizz...). Jay is without a doubt one of the most incredible MCs to ever do it but he has a bunch of suspect albums filled with forgettable beats on his resume (Kingdom Come, Blueprint 2, Blueprint 3, MCHG...) and he's NEVER called a wack beat picker.

Nas >>>>> Jay, but Jay Z has definitely had production that was ground breaking throughout his career. Nothing sounded like "nikka What, nikka Who" when it dropped. Same goes for "Big Pimpin" or "Jigga My nikka". Jay Z has albums with some of the very best beats from those producers.


ALL rappers have wack beats on their albums. Jay doesn't get the tag because most of his albums have incredible production. Not saying that Nas doesn't. The knock against Nas is the production on his albums sound nothing like what a lot of people expect. They compare the production to other work those producers did and they leave disappointed. They also see Nas working with certain producers and judge it before hearing one note because it ain't Premo. That ain't on Nas. That's on the listener. And most of the people who like to talk about Nas having wack beats are so called Nas fans. I mean, there are Nas fans who talk about Salaam like he is some bum when he's given Nas some of his best songs. L.E.S. is one of the producers on Illmatic, but people only mention Pete Rock, Premo, Q Tip, and Large Professor when they talk about Nas reuniting with the Illmatic team.

 

[Zero]

Most sensitive...stanbase...ever lmao

sidenote: nas never said he picked wack beats purposely. He said be picked unorthodox or not the typical style beats because its more of a challenge to him.

World coming to an end and these dudes are still whining about the same shyt

Always backwards, never forward, no more classics

 

[Billy Ocean]

Nas >>>>> Jay, but Jay Z has definitely had production that was ground breaking throughout his career. Nothing sounded like "nikka What, nikka Who" when it dropped. Same goes for "Big Pimpin" or "Jigga My nikka". Jay Z has albums with some of the very best beats from those producers.


ALL rappers have wack beats on their albums. Jay doesn't get the tag because most of his albums have incredible production. Not saying that Nas doesn't. The knock against Nas is the production on his albums sound nothing like what a lot of people expect. They compare the production to other work those producers did and they leave disappointed. They also see Nas working with certain producers and judge it before hearing one note because it ain't Premo. That ain't on Nas. That's on the listener. And most of the people who like to talk about Nas having wack beats are so called Nas fans. I mean, there are Nas fans who talk about Salaam like he is some bum when he's given Nas some of his best songs. L.E.S. is one of the producers on Illmatic, but people only mention Pete Rock, Premo, Q Tip, and Large Professor when they talk about Nas reuniting with the Illmatic team.

Jay has more than a few albums where half the beats are just ok or mediocre. I named them earlier in the thread. We can go into that more in depth if you want. And for every dope Swizz or Timbo beat he's had you can point to an unspectacular Swizz or Timbo beat also. Jay just doesn't get criticized as harshly for picking bad beats as Nas does. No MC does.

 

[FocusedDaily]

Post It Was Written, Nas beat selection, with a few exceptions, is very disappointing. This is dam near a fact in hip hop. Don't try to re-write.

Yet, It was written was his best produced album.
Kings Disease is his first album since 1996 that wasn't about 50% questionable beat choices.
Even the "kanye produced" joint was sus..

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Nas >>>>> Jay, but Jay Z has definitely had production that was ground breaking throughout his career. Nothing sounded like "nikka What, nikka Who" when it dropped. Same goes for "Big Pimpin" or "Jigga My nikka". Jay Z has albums with some of the very best beats from those producers.


ALL rappers have wack beats on their albums. Jay doesn't get the tag because most of his albums have incredible production. Not saying that Nas doesn't. The knock against Nas is the production on his albums sound nothing like what a lot of people expect. They compare the production to other work those producers did and they leave disappointed. They also see Nas working with certain producers and judge it before hearing one note because it ain't Premo. That ain't on Nas. That's on the listener. And most of the people who like to talk about Nas having wack beats are so called Nas fans. I mean, there are Nas fans who talk about Salaam like he is some bum when he's given Nas some of his best songs. L.E.S. is one of the producers on Illmatic, but people only mention Pete Rock, Premo, Q Tip, and Large Professor when they talk about Nas reuniting with the Illmatic team.

Daps/reps.

This is such an incredibly fair and even handed breakdown.

The thing about Jay's beats is that A LOT of Jay's beats over the years (and I mean album cuts and not just singles) can be played in a beat battle or at a DJ set before a live show, to this day, and get a crowd really hype. PSA. U Don't Know. Heart of the City. So Ghetto. Dynasty Intro. 1-900 Hustler. You Me Him Her. Heart of the City. Never Change. Imaginary Player. It's Hot. Big Pimpin'. Lyrical Exercise. Roc Boys. What We Do. Welcome to NY City. Dead Presidents. Can I Live.

Some of those more than others, and some I'm not thinking of. But I just can't picture a lot of Nas' instrumentals being played at a beat battle or a beat showcase and getting the crowd as amped up as a lot of Nas' beats. That doesn't even mean Nas' beats are bad. Not at all. I think a lot of times Nas probably chose production that he thought would be good to still make his voice the start of the show. A lot of times Jay picked beats that would stand on their own even without him.

The "Nas beat selection" debate isn't really about Nas picking wack beats like you said, but more about the beats not being what people expect, and/or just not being quite on the level of his raps.

@Billy Ocean is also right. Nas get get criticized the most for his beat selection, so that doesn't help matters.

 

[The Dust King]

Just to make a tiny distinction. Phonte said it was his dream to hear Ross pick beats for Nas. He didn't say he wanted to hear Nas over Ross beats. That sounds like a distinction without a difference, but Ross has a good executive producer ear, and he's helped other artists pick beats that maybe wouldn't be perfect for him, but still fit those artists well. I heard it mostly as a compliment to Ross' ear than necessarily hoping for Nas over JUSTICE League production for example.

and that is a very valid point

 

[kes929]

Yet, It was written was his best produced album.
Kings Disease is his first album since 1996 that wasn't about 50% questionable beat choices.
Even the "kanye produced" joint was sus..

That's false. Life is Good is a classic too and that was just dropped 8 years ago. Distant relatives and untitled was great production wise too

 

[Zero]

Where is kool keith at today? While nas is dropping classics in 2020 27 summers in which wasn't even the goal.

Does he need to be anywhere? nikka probably influenced Nas to rap in the first place

I bet cash money Destiny don't love this nikka Nas like yall do

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Jay has more than a few albums where half the beats are just ok or mediocre. I named them earlier in the thread. We can go into that more in depth if you want. And for every dope Swizz or Timbo beat he's had you can point to an unspectacular Swizz or Timbo beat also. Jay just doesn't get criticized as harshly for picking bad beats as Nas does. No MC does.

What's crazy is that everybody talks about Jay having some mind-blowing production, but there was a thread here that was made recently about how The Black Album's beats didn't age well, and most of the people in the thread agreed. So, which is it? The Black Album is usually seen as one of Jay's classics, but the beats don't hold up?

I just feel like when it comes to production, Jay and Nas gravitate towards different things. Jay likes bangers, the heavy hitters that are going to slap you in the face. Nas likes beats that feel like they were made specifically for that song. Like the "Fried Chicken" beat can only be used for Nas and Busta Rhymes' content. Just freestyling over it might not hit the same.

But Nas gets a lot of criticism because people feel like he should be rapping over "Show Me What You Got" or "D.O.A." or "nikkas in Paris." And if he's not doing that, he should be rapping over grimy, Illmatic-style beats, but in some cases (like with the title track for Street's Disciple or "Money Over Bullshyt"), those songs get ignored completely.

 

[LJLYDK!]

Oh look another Nas slander thread

Off the title alone I’m not even gonna entertain this thread

GET OFF JAY Z dikk