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60% of Nastradamus is absolute dog shyt. Nas was lost, the label was lost, it's like the bootleg of I Am killed their whole vibe and they took terrible decisions. The whole concept was horribly executed, the intro and outro... A train wreck

Agreed Come get me was ass, a huge letdown..


And the beats are almost all awful. No wonder that people made remix albums that sounded way better than the original.

BUTTTTT, this album also has some of Nas' realest lyrics of his career (over average to horrible beats) and that's why it resonates for some of us.

Life we chose
Some of us have angels
Project windows
Last words

.. have some of the greatest Nas verses ever.

They were just surrounded by an ocean of shyt so the overall impression of that album will always be negative to most people. Nas fans who dig deep into lyrics and shyt will just keep those few joints here and there and add them to their collections of Nas verses that no other MC can do.

If you ask me, these 4 tracks I mentioned above hold more weight to me than the whole Streets Disciple double album. I could argue some of these 4 to be in a top 100 Nas ever, but none from SD (damn this album aged horribly..)

Message To The Feds
Nazareth Savage
These Are Our Heroes(cross out out of respect for Kobe)
Disciple
Sekou Story
Live Now
Just A Moment
Reason
Streets Disciple
UBR
Virgo
Remember The Times
War
Thief’s Theme.



^^^^^ All of them shyts is Solid to fire tracks. Nas don’t got a horrible album.


Life We Chose
Some Of Us Have Angels
Project Windows
Come Get Me(y’all need to learn the difference from underwhelming and trash cause this wasn’t trash by any means)
Shoot ‘Em Up(hood favorite)
Last Words
Family
You Owe Me

All Solid to classic tracks.
like I said. Nas don’t have a horrible album.
 

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He ruined it by putting tracks that were not fitting the theme like make the world go round, breathe or hero (the only one worth keeping, but put it at the end) Not that the tracks are bad but they fukked up the flow of the album. I wish he put some of the ****** tape tracks instead like legendary, be a ****** too. put esco let's go, who are you and get rid of the weaker tracks like y'all my nikkas (the chorus is bad) and we're not alone (the chorus boring and too long) and the album would have been much better

:picard: Not only do I think Breathe fit the theme, I think it's one of the best songs on the album.
 
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Untitled is great. The only thing I feel it misses is a couple of absolute classic joints that fit the theme. Like it's great all the way through IMO but to me none of the songs move from that status of being great to being a classic elite Nas joints. QGTM perhaps is there but that's just the intro. Maybe it's the production but nothing elevates to that elite Nas level. That's just my take and obviously some will strongly disagree.

Also just to mention I wish more of the N tape songs were on it.
 

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Untitled is great. The only thing I feel it misses is a couple of absolute classic joints that fit the theme. Like it's great all the way through IMO but to me none of the songs move from that status of being great to being a classic elite Nas joints. QGTM perhaps is there but that's just the intro. Maybe it's the production but nothing elevates to that elite Nas level. That's just my take and obviously some will strongly disagree.

Also just to mention I wish more of the N tape songs were on it.
Letter To The King shouldve replace We Make The World Go Round.
 

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I agreed with almost everything you said...except this, yall are f'n buggin now, lol. I mean, it's no "Nas is Like"...but ass? No way.

Oh, I disagree with your SD take too. The way yall overlook and writeoff the gems just because the project as a whole was underwhelming is kinda criminal. That album has Nazareth Savage, Street's Disciple, These are our heroes, War, and American Way on it...The first 2 are just surgical with the rapping...the next 3 are just great songs in general. Disc two of that shyt is the worst Nas album ever by far tho, as a whole.

Didn't like Come get me back then and still don't.

I liked SD's best tracks when they dropped, especially Streets Disciple, shyt felt like a RZA beat. Nazareth Savage beat is weird to me but the rhyming was hard as fukk. Disciple was a huge let down too, the new beat they did because they didn't get the sample clearance was underwhelming at best. Haven't played none of them in more than10 years though. Unlike the aforementioned Nastradamus tracks which are classics in my book.
 

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Didn't like Come get me back then and still don't.

I liked SD's best tracks when they dropped, especially Streets Disciple, shyt felt like a RZA beat. Nazareth Savage beat is weird to me but the rhyming was hard as fukk. Disciple was a huge let down too, the new beat they did because they didn't get the sample clearance was underwhelming at best. Haven't played none of them in more than10 years though. Unlike the aforementioned Nastradamus tracks which are classics in my book.
Nazareth Savage beat HARD as fukk. If it was Jadakiss who got that mad nikkas woulda rapped on that. There’s a reason Tyler The Creator flipped that for his most recent project.
 

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I feel the same way about all of Nas' Def Jam albums. Each one had a very specifically marketed theme or concept, and each album doesn't match it. HHID has a couple thematic tracks but largely feels aimless and bloated. Untitled sticks to the theme more than HHID but the commentary/theme doesn't really match the explosive initial title or marketing of the album. And Life Is Good, which a GREAT album, is NOT a breakup album or comparable to Here, My Dear like it was made out to be. It's almost entirely about nostalgia, with a couple tracks about Kelis/relationships.

I thought Untitled was going to be aggressive, thought provoking, in-your-face and it's not really any of that to me. There's nothing subversive about it either. When you think about it from an influence perspective, the obvious thought would be Nas making a Public Enemy album right? Mix that with more modern sounds (working with Dead Prez) and it just seemed like we were going to get some "punch the white establishment in the face" type shyt, directed by Spike Lee. Instead he dropped a mixtape that sounded far harder/better than the actual album. The album just sounds like a battle with Def Jam. And while I think the obvious reaction here would be "well that's because it was too black for the label" I think the real issue was that it wasn't that good. I can think of all types of ways that album could have been commercially viable without compromising the theme, and I'd imagine LA Reid could too. Instead the direction was just...well, yea.

I can think of so many albums that came out before Untitled or around the same time that did "that" better on every level. Lyrically, beats, theme, etc. It starts with the singles up front, which tells you right away who is doing the sequencing (the label). Then you get a variety of uninspired, slow tempo beats. Not a single track on the album matches the energy or tempo of stuff from the mixtape like Gangsta Rap, Cops Keep Firing, or Legendary. I was expecting Ice Cube shyt. Think...Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Endangered Species, True To The Game, Us, etc. Those first three albums touch a variety of topics yet feel more in tune with what "Untitled" wanted to be than the album. Or think Mos' first two albums. Or think about The Coup's albums. Even Dead Prez' albums, which tend to be less in-your-face production wise than some of the stuff I mentioned, still FEEL right because of the lyrics and tone. I just don't feel that on Untitled.

It's not a bad album, it's just forgettable to me and should have been better. And back to the sequencing, putting Fried Chicken and Project Roach back to back just felt like the ultimate head shake moment. There are some narrative devices you only get away with once. I Gave You Power was that, and it worked because it had never been done before. So to do it again, but twice, back to back on the same album...nah. It doesn't work for me.
 

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I feel the same way about all of Nas' Def Jam albums. Each one had a very specifically marketed theme or concept, and each album doesn't match it. HHID has a couple thematic tracks but largely feels aimless and bloated. Untitled sticks to the theme more than HHID but the commentary/theme doesn't really match the explosive initial title or marketing of the album. And Life Is Good, which a GREAT album, is NOT a breakup album or comparable to Here, My Dear like it was made out to be. It's almost entirely about nostalgia, with a couple tracks about Kelis/relationships.

I thought Untitled was going to be aggressive, thought provoking, in-your-face and it's not really any of that to me. There's nothing subversive about it either. When you think about it from an influence perspective, the obvious thought would be Nas making a Public Enemy album right? Mix that with more modern sounds (working with Dead Prez) and it just seemed like we were going to get some "punch the white establishment in the face" type shyt, directed by Spike Lee. Instead he dropped a mixtape that sounded far harder/better than the actual album. The album just sounds like a battle with Def Jam. And while I think the obvious reaction here would be "well that's because it was too black for the label" I think the real issue was that it wasn't that good. I can think of all types of ways that album could have been commercially viable without compromising the theme, and I'd imagine LA Reid could too. Instead the direction was just...well, yea.

I can think of so many albums that came out before Untitled or around the same time that did "that" better on every level. Lyrically, beats, theme, etc. It starts with the singles up front, which tells you right away who is doing the sequencing (the label). Then you get a variety of uninspired, slow tempo beats. Not a single track on the album matches the energy or tempo of stuff from the mixtape like Gangsta Rap, Cops Keep Firing, or Legendary. I was expecting Ice Cube shyt. Think...Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Endangered Species, True To The Game, Us, etc. Those first three albums touch a variety of topics yet feel more in tune with what "Untitled" wanted to be than the album. Or think Mos' first two albums. Or think about The Coup's albums. Even Dead Prez' albums, which tend to be less in-your-face production wise than some of the stuff I mentioned, still FEEL right because of the lyrics and tone. I just don't feel that on Untitled.

It's not a bad album, it's just forgettable to me and should have been better. And back to the sequencing, putting Fried Chicken and Project Roach back to back just felt like the ultimate head shake moment. There are some narrative devices you only get away with once. I Gave You Power was that, and it worked because it had never been done before. So to do it again, but twice, back to back on the same album...nah. It doesn't work for me.
Untitled was fire and I thought it stuck to the theme great I don’t know what y’all nikkas was listening to or EXPECTING but that shyt was great. nikkas wanted an aggressive album but this one was more calm and reflective. Both approaches are effective. My cousin has that shyt as her 3rd favorite Nas album and she more cerebral than 90% of the nikkas I know so he must’ve hit somewhere right. An album that felt THAT way to me is TPAB by Kendrick. But nikkas hate speaking on that tho. Untitled >>>>>>> TPAB.

Edit: Nas BLACKED on that Like Me bonus track.
 
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I loved Untitled it's a 4.5 album to me, only thing that keeps it from being 5 is not blending Proclamation & Queens Get The Money together, and not having Esco Let's Go on there(that beat is too hard :dame: and the world needed to hear it:ohlawd:.) Left off We're Not Alone and put Be A ****** Too & Make The World Go Around(would've been perfect after Black President since it's a celebration song) as bonus songs.
 

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I loved Untitled it's a 4.5 album to me, only thing that keeps it from being 5 is not blending Proclamation & Queens Get The Money together, and not having Esco Let's Go on there(that beat is too hard :dame: and the world needed to hear it:ohlawd:.) Left off We're Not Alone and put Be A ****** Too & Make The World Go Around(would've been perfect after Black President since it's a celebration song) as bonus songs.
Keep We’re Not Alone and swap Make The World Go Round for Letter To The King.
 
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