Supreme365
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Porter would’ve worked Lowry
Nash won 2 MVPs and Kobe avg exploded right after hand checking removed
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Porter would’ve worked Lowry
Supreme365
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Why do you stan Bron so hard
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Ninjas on here overrate zone defense way more than hand checking
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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This is defense in 1992. Full-on handchecking allowed, a deciding game in the Finals. THIS is what ya'all are telling me is supposed to scare LeBron and Curry:
Where's all the deadly hand-checking? They giving the weakest calls to the Bulls left and right.
I'm sorry, but a team that played defense that weak today wouldn't go anywhere in the playoffs.
The Cavs made the finals the last 2 years being a bad defensive team
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Look it’s pretty simple. Leagues don’t create rules to make scoring harder. It’s damn near against their business model.
It’s Bron peasants that try to shyt on everything pre 2010
Blazers only made 10 threes in 6 games combined, and they only shot 19% from three. Saying I can't use that as a data point is just dumb. The Celtics had better three-point shooters, full stop.
eFG% is the most accurate measure of how efficient a player is at shooting the ball. TS% includes free throws, which aren't shot in the course of the offense and vary too much depending on how officials call the game. In eras where officials call more fouls, TS% gets inflated and doesn't tell you whether they were actually making shots or just getting to the line.
Buck's shooting % was meaningless because he made nothing other than putbacks and dunks, they didn't run plays for him and he had no offensive game in the post (only 7ppg against the Bulls). It wasn't like Buck was a pick-and-roll threat or beating guys in the post, they ran literally no plays for him. And as you point out, neither Cliff nor Duckworth had low post game either. And neither was hitting threes either. Which demonstrates what I'm saying about the Blazer offense - it's silly to call it an elite offense when none of your 4/5 can score in the low post OR hit threes and none of your perimeter players are hitting threes either.
To compare offensive rating and ppg for the regular season is just dumb as regular season scoring in the 1980s and early 1990s was inflated by tons of fast breaks and defenses that didn't even try to dial down until the 4th quarter. Even Charlotte averaged 110ppg that same year with a legitimately bad team that started Muggsy Bogues, 2nd-year Kendall Gill, Johnny Newman, rookie Larry Johnson, and Kenny Gattison....a lineup that made 0.4 threes a game and still rolled up points just running up and down the floor.
So a team had a 5'3" point guard in an era where hand-checking was totally legal, not a single 3pt shooter in the starting lineup, no great scorers....and still averaged 110 points a game? THAT is why it would be dumb to compared offensive rating across eras with no context.
Bigblackted4
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They didn’t shoot three pointers in volume that’s what you can’t use EFG across eras that’s a stat for our time. True Shooting doesn’t outweigh free throw percentage unless you taking Harden levels of free throws.
Also I use offensive rating which adjust for pace which take the Hornets down to 107 offensive rating. They just played very fast but wasn’t efficient. If you play fast you’ll score a lot of point see the Lakers this year.
Offensive rating is the best stat to compare offenses across eras, ppg is useless. You have to adjust for pace. But I’m done with this conversation, your obviously one of these guys that base analysis on three pointers but don’t realize they didn’t value it as much.
Suleiman Bey
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But they had a great offense. This isn't football. Defense alone can not win NBA games.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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And so did the 93 suns. I was directly talking about the point that bad defensive teams can win in today’s NBA
Suleiman Bey
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They can if they have more fire power than the next team. At the moment none of them do, so no they can't win
JUS SPEAKIN FACTS
desjardins
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Damn did people even watch the video before running to come defend they agendas 
Kobe was a multi time allstar, won most of his rings, and was damn near a HOF lock during the hand checking era
Mentioned him because the jump to 35ppg right after the new rules is an obvious example of him likely exploiting the changes like he was supposed to do
And the video touches on the original 1994 change but obviously it wasn't enough since anybody watching back then knows they were still hand checking and then felt the need to further define and enforce the rule in 04/05
No way you can watch tape of old games and act like there is no difference, you could literally guide players off their path in the hand checking era. Also remember the illegal defense rule was added in the early 2000s so in the hand checking era you could also camp in the lane. THE shyt WAS HARDER
Kobe was a multi time allstar, won most of his rings, and was damn near a HOF lock during the hand checking era
Mentioned him because the jump to 35ppg right after the new rules is an obvious example of him likely exploiting the changes like he was supposed to do
And the video touches on the original 1994 change but obviously it wasn't enough since anybody watching back then knows they were still hand checking and then felt the need to further define and enforce the rule in 04/05
No way you can watch tape of old games and act like there is no difference, you could literally guide players off their path in the hand checking era. Also remember the illegal defense rule was added in the early 2000s so in the hand checking era you could also camp in the lane. THE shyt WAS HARDER
We saw Kobe in this era his last days pre achillies and was averaging 40 pts a gamekobe in this era with a green light today
40 every night.
Goatpoacher
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that year also coincided with Shaq leaving so he can take more shots
No. Shaq left the year before and Kobe was terrible in his first season without shaq. He didn't put up much in the way of points, he got injured, the lakers were in the playoff picture, then kobe came back, started ballhogging, and the lakers lost most of their games to miss the playoffs.