Native Tongues have more classics than Wu-Tang, Deathrow or any other crew

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Again we're trying to do this subjectively right? I produced a list from one of raps most reputable publications at the time of the list, that had EIGHT Native Tongues albums in their best 100 albums of all-time.

Can one of y'all produce me one list from anywhere that has 8 Wu albums or 8 Death Row albums in top 100 rap albums ever list and I'll concede. Y'all aren't providing anything but what YOU PERSONALLY feel with no facts to back it up. Half you nikkas don't even know your history.
A bias mag giving props is still just an opinion of a few folks,maybe one person. Unless a mag does a verifiable poll of the country's opinions,then their list dont mean much and are basically propaganda.
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Jungle Brothers name and cache mean more than their actual music does.
Like you say, they gave niccas a style to run with...that doesn't mean their chit is classic.
Their music was the template that multiple classic albums used. Their impact and influence from their debut album is undeniable. Again, that style of rap is largely forgotten in this era because the 90s that most people champion isn't the Afro-centric era it's the Wu, Mobb, Snoop, Nas era of street rap. But that doesn't take away the impact the album had when it dropped. It's importance is more reflective of its classic status than the quality which is subjective.
 

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What in the world does that have to do with anything? They made a major impact when they dropped, their debut album was basically the blueprint to Tribe and De La's style. That's like saying James Worthy isn't impactful because he was never the best player in the NBA even though Kobe himself said he patterned a lot of his style from him. Come on man. The most popular rappers aren't the only ones that can change and impact culture. Esham had no mainstream recognition but arguably the biggest rapper of all-time patterned a lot of his style from him.
two white guys invented basketball right? Should they be mentioned with jordan. Them nikkas aint shyt.
It's not like them and tribe weren't cool and just ran off and stole their style from afar. They were crew,so if they were so special they should of got a lil buzz from tribe and did some bigger shyt later. But they aint shyt so they couldnt.
 

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A bias mag giving props is still just an opinion of a few folks,maybe one person. Unless a mag does a verifiable poll of the country's opinions,then their list dont mean much and are basically propaganda.
Not impressed. It's all opinions
We're using the term universal, give me a better criteria to go by then? It can't just be us on opposite sites with conflicting points of views saying the other one is wrong. Provide other knowledgeable parties that will take your stance over mines if you want this to be a healthy discussion. So far I'm the only one that provided opinions that aren't just my own and hearsay.
 

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Actually a good thread but i dont trust the premise since the OP is a known troll.

Wu wins but either way its close

Native tongues VS Wu-Tang

Tribe has 4 classics
Jungle brothers got 2
De la soul has 4
Blackstarr got 1
Mos def got 1
Talib got 1
Brand nubian has 2
Beatnuts got 2
Fu schnickens got 1
Queen has 2
Blacksheep got 1
Common got 4
Roots got 3

Wutang has 6
Meth has 1
Deck has 1
Odb has 1
Masta killa has 1
Gza has 1
Ghostface has 4
Raekwon has 2
Rza has 1
Killaarmy got 1
Sunz of man got 1
Killah priest got 3
Shabazz got 1
Gravediggaz got 1
Cappa got 1
Black market got 1
Thug Angels got 1
Force MDs got 2
Shyheim got 1
Bronze nazareth got 1
La the darkman got 1
Mathematics got 2

:mjlol:
 

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two white guys invented basketball right? Should they be mentioned with jordan. Them nikkas aint shyt.
It's not like them and tribe weren't cool and just ran off and stole their style from afar. They were crew,so if they were so special they should of got a lil buzz from tribe and did some bigger shyt later. But they aint shyt so they couldnt.

Inconsistent comparison. Your argument of comparing the inventors of the NBA to Jordan is completely irrelevant and illogical. We're not comparing Tribe and De La to the inventors of rap. Jungle Bros are a group that directly impacted those groups and laid a template down that they followed almost exactly.

They weren't the best group that's why their staying power didn't last but at the time their impact and their debut is unquestionable.
 

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Their music was the template that multiple classic albums used. Their impact and influence from their debut album is undeniable. Again, that style of rap is largely forgotten in this era because the 90s that most people champion isn't the Afro-centric era it's the Wu, Mobb, Snoop, Nas era of street rap. But that doesn't take away the impact the album had when it dropped. It's importance is more reflective of its classic status than the quality which is subjective.

I can say this same chit for Richie Rich and 415.

Snoop Dogg, Warren G, Soopafly, E-40 and a buncha west coast acts have said they were influenced by 415
with that heavy bottom, mob sound that is also largely forgotten in this era because it's somewhat different
from other 90s West Coast sound that was so popular. However, that doesn't mean 41Fivin' or Nu nikkaz On The Blokkk
are classics.
 

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We're using the term universal, give me a better criteria to go by then? It can't just be us on opposite sites with conflicting points of views saying the other one is wrong. Provide other knowledgeable parties that will take your stance over mines if you want this to be a healthy discussion. So far I'm the only one that provided opinions that aren't just my own and hearsay.
We're never going to reach a conclusion. Sales shows what people were fukking with enough to spend money. To me that's more factual than bias mag writers. But since that doesnt support YOU'RE argument,you will oppose. Cool. I just cant let the bullshyt go unchallenged to people whom view these threads. But i know those that oppose will never agree with me. And i dont care. I argue for on the fence lurkers and spectators,so they can see what's real in my eyes. I dont expect you or most that oppose to agree.
 

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Inconsistent comparison. Your argument of comparing the inventors of the NBA to Jordan is completely irrelevant and illogical. We're not comparing Tribe and De La to the inventors of rap. Jungle Bros are a group that directly impacted those groups and laid a template down that they followed almost exactly.

They weren't the best group that's why their staying power didn't last but at the time their impact and their debut is unquestionable.
If you're arguing with boss up, you're just wasting your time.
 

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Inconsistent comparison. Your argument of comparing the inventors of the NBA to Jordan is completely irrelevant and illogical. We're not comparing Tribe and De La to the inventors of rap. Jungle Bros are a group that directly impacted those groups and laid a template down that they followed almost exactly.

They weren't the best group that's why their staying power didn't last but at the time their impact and their debut is unquestionable.
you're entitled to your stance. They may not have invented rap but they invented that style. still inventors
 

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Anyone who says liquid swords and supreme clientele arent classics are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to comment on any Hip Hop forum.
 

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I can say this same chit for Richie Rich and 415.

Snoop Dogg, Warren G, Soopafly, E-40 and a buncha west coast acts have said they were influenced by 415
with that heavy bottom, mob sound that is also largely forgotten in this era because it's somewhat different
from other 90s West Coast sound that was so popular. However, that doesn't mean 41Fivin' or Nu nikkaz On The Blokkk
are classics.
Those Snoop Dogg and Warren G albums aren't patterned after those albums though.


If you're arguing with boss up, you're just wasting your time.
Duly noted bro. Thanks lol.
 
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