NBA Legends Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Big O, & Bill Walton on Michael Jordan

[feelosofer]

Oh so kareems game is so advanced that NOBODY can duplicate that simple ass shyt FOH

Jordan influenced guards like derrick rose and D wade to do acrobatic reverse lay ups and other shots,Guards like kobe shooting 19 foot fadeaways over a double team but kareems basic ass moves can't be duplicated?

Lmao these nikkas are tryin so hard but can't come up with shyt.NOW you see why Jordan is the greatest

Transcending the game is making the league so popular that people all over the world want to watch the chicago Bulls.The bulls have the top rated finals Ever and highest watched nba finals game ever.

So you're argument is Jordan was the most popular, and no Kareems moves clearly are not that easy to duplicate. Otherwise the bulk of his records would not be standing to this day.

 

[god shamgod]

So you're argument is Jordan was the most popular, and no Kareems moves clearly are not that easy to duplicate. Otherwise the bulk of his records would not be standing to this day.

His records are cuz he played 20 years.My argument has nothing to do with jordan's popularity He influenced more players and transcended the game more than kareem ever did.

Accomplishment wise jordan has him in everything except mvp's and all time scoring and if jordan played 20 years he would of had more in both

I Don't see nothing about kareem that makes him the goat.He's brett favre of the nba.

 

[feelosofer]

His records are cuz he played 20 years.My argument has nothing to do with jordan's popularity He influenced more players and transcended the game more than kareem ever did.

Accomplishment wise jordan has him in everything except mvp's and all time scoring and if jordan played 20 years he would of had more in both

I Don't see nothing about kareem that makes him the goat.He's brett favre of the nba.

If you read the thread, Kareem made the bulk of his achievements prior to his 15th year. It's a straw argument.

 

[dantheman9758]

Speaking of Wilt, he has awesome numbers, but who really was his competition in the 60s as a big man? His major rival was Bill Russell and Bill would consistently beat him.

Also, he was pretty much done by the time he hit 35 (getting only 14 ppg)


Let me also say this.


Wilt Chamberlain was 7'1 275 lbs. For visual/current size reference, he was basically the the same size as Andrew Bynum.

Bill Russell was 6'9 215 lbs. For visual/current size reference, he was basically the same size as Kenneth Faried


How was the supposed GOAT Center LOSING constantly to a team that had someone that much smaller guarding him one on one?

I couldnt imagine Kareem being shut down by someone that he had a 4 inch height advantage over, especially with the sky hook in his arsenal

Your size approximations are not correct

Bill Russell's measurements:
6-9.63 WITHOUT shoes (taller than Dwight Howard and Kevin Durant)
7-4 wingspan (1/2" less wingspan than Dwight Howard)
10.5" length hands, that's an inch longer than MJ and Wilt's hands, Bill had a nice set of mitts
215lbs as a rookie, 222lbs-228lbs prime weight range, 240lbs entering his final season. 240lbs is Dwight Howards rookie weight, and Bill played in the era before lifting weights was fashionable.

Wilt Chamberlain's measurements:
7-1.06 WITHOUT shoes (taller than EVERYONE in the league today except for Thabeet who is 7-1.25 w/o shoes)
7-8 wingspan - greater than anyone in the league by 2 full inches
9.5"x11.5" hands - wider thumb to pinky spread than anyone in the league
258lbs as a rookie (18lbs heavier than Dwight as a rookie) 292lbs in his prime and 327lbs max which is heavier than current 270lb Dwight Howard by a whopping 57lbs. And still much heavier than even the absolute heaviest player in the league right now which is Andre Drummond at 297lbs.

Both Bill and Wilt were freak athletes and very imposing in stature. Don't be trying to sell them short. Now with that said Bill is still much smaller than Wilt to be sure, but Bill is about the size of modern centers minus the weight lifting bulk, but Bill didn't ever handle Wilt one on one, nobody handled Wilt one on one. Wilt tore Russell up as far as individual combined offensive and defensive impact goes 9 times out of 10. Russell was anchoring an organization that was on another level at that time, nobody could outcoach Red Aurbach, hardly anyone could outshoot Sam Jones in the clutch, nobody was a better press defender than K.C. Jones, no one was a better sixth man than Havlicek and no team was a better cohesive unit than the Celtics... Now this isn't to sell Bill Russell short, he was a beast no doubt, and extremely underrated in his all around abilities even as an offensive player but aside from rebounding, defending, and outlet passing to start fast breaks he falls short of Wilt's abilities in every other category and some by wide margin. Team success can definitely be used as a barometer of greatness, but it does not reflect who the better player was in this situation.

 

[mastermind]

False

Bill Russell's measurements:
6-9.63 WITHOUT shoes (taller than Dwight Howard and Kevin Durant)
7-4 wingspan (1/2" less wingspan than Dwight Howard)
10.5" length hands, that's an inch longer than MJ and Wilt's hands, Bill had a nice set of mitts
215lbs as a rookie, 222lbs-228lbs prime weight range, 240lbs entering his final season. 240lbs is Dwight Howards rookie weight, and Bill played in the era before lifting weights was fashionable.

Wilt Chamberlain's measurements:
7-1.06 WITHOUT shoes (taller than EVERYONE in the league today except for Thabeet who is 7-1.25 w/o shoes)
7-8 wingspan - greater than anyone in the league by 2 full inches
9.5"x11.5" hands - wider thumb to pinky spread than anyone in the league
258lbs as a rookie (18lbs heavier than Dwight as a rookie) 292lbs in his prime and 327lbs max which is heavier than current 270lb Dwight Howard by a whopping 57lbs. And still much heavier than even the absolute heaviest player in the league right now which is Andre Drummond at 297lbs.

Both Bill and Wilt were freak athletes and very imposing in stature. Don't be trying to sell them short. Now with that said Bill is still much smaller than Wilt to be sure, but Bill is about the size of modern centers minus the weight lifting bulk, but Bill didn't ever handle Wilt one on one, nobody handled Wilt one on one. Wilt tore Russell up as far as individual combined offensive and defensive impact goes 9 times out of 10. Russell was anchoring an organization that was on another level at that time, nobody could outcoach Red Aurbach, hardly anyone could outshoot Sam Jones in the clutch, nobody was a better press defender than K.C. Jones, no one was a better sixth man than Havlicek and no team was a better cohesive unit than the Celtics... Now this isn't to sell Bill Russell short, he was a beast no doubt, and extremely underrated in his all around abilities even as an offensive player but aside from rebounding, defending, and outlet passing to start fast breaks he falls short of Wilt's abilities in every other category and some by wide margin. Team success can definitely be used as a barometer of greatness, but it does not reflect who the better player was in this situation.

buildings crushed

 

[Brozay]

Your size approximations are not correct

Bill Russell's measurements:
6-9.63 WITHOUT shoes (taller than Dwight Howard and Kevin Durant)
7-4 wingspan (1/2" less wingspan than Dwight Howard)
10.5" length hands, that's an inch longer than MJ and Wilt's hands, Bill had a nice set of mitts
215lbs as a rookie, 222lbs-228lbs prime weight range, 240lbs entering his final season. 240lbs is Dwight Howards rookie weight, and Bill played in the era before lifting weights was fashionable.

Wilt Chamberlain's measurements:
7-1.06 WITHOUT shoes (taller than EVERYONE in the league today except for Thabeet who is 7-1.25 w/o shoes)
7-8 wingspan - greater than anyone in the league by 2 full inches
9.5"x11.5" hands - wider thumb to pinky spread than anyone in the league
258lbs as a rookie (18lbs heavier than Dwight as a rookie) 292lbs in his prime and 327lbs max which is heavier than current 270lb Dwight Howard by a whopping 57lbs. And still much heavier than even the absolute heaviest player in the league right now which is Andre Drummond at 297lbs.

Both Bill and Wilt were freak athletes and very imposing in stature. Don't be trying to sell them short. Now with that said Bill is still much smaller than Wilt to be sure, but Bill is about the size of modern centers minus the weight lifting bulk, but Bill didn't ever handle Wilt one on one, nobody handled Wilt one on one. Wilt tore Russell up as far as individual combined offensive and defensive impact goes 9 times out of 10. Russell was anchoring an organization that was on another level at that time, nobody could outcoach Red Aurbach, hardly anyone could outshoot Sam Jones in the clutch, nobody was a better press defender than K.C. Jones, no one was a better sixth man than Havlicek and no team was a better cohesive unit than the Celtics... Now this isn't to sell Bill Russell short, he was a beast no doubt, and extremely underrated in his all around abilities even as an offensive player but aside from rebounding, defending, and outlet passing to start fast breaks he falls short of Wilt's abilities in every other category and some by wide margin. Team success can definitely be used as a barometer of greatness, but it does not reflect who the better player was in this situation.

Wilt was so physically and athletically special, I think he is just flat out the GOAT athlete.

(I realize that is a complicated statement, but I wouldnt know who else to say)

 

[feelosofer]

Your size approximations are not correct

Bill Russell's measurements:
6-9.63 WITHOUT shoes (taller than Dwight Howard and Kevin Durant)
7-4 wingspan (1/2" less wingspan than Dwight Howard)
10.5" length hands, that's an inch longer than MJ and Wilt's hands, Bill had a nice set of mitts
215lbs as a rookie, 222lbs-228lbs prime weight range, 240lbs entering his final season. 240lbs is Dwight Howards rookie weight, and Bill played in the era before lifting weights was fashionable.

Wilt Chamberlain's measurements:
7-1.06 WITHOUT shoes (taller than EVERYONE in the league today except for Thabeet who is 7-1.25 w/o shoes)
7-8 wingspan - greater than anyone in the league by 2 full inches
9.5"x11.5" hands - wider thumb to pinky spread than anyone in the league
258lbs as a rookie (18lbs heavier than Dwight as a rookie) 292lbs in his prime and 327lbs max which is heavier than current 270lb Dwight Howard by a whopping 57lbs. And still much heavier than even the absolute heaviest player in the league right now which is Andre Drummond at 297lbs.

Both Bill and Wilt were freak athletes and very imposing in stature. Don't be trying to sell them short. Now with that said Bill is still much smaller than Wilt to be sure, but Bill is about the size of modern centers minus the weight lifting bulk, but Bill didn't ever handle Wilt one on one, nobody handled Wilt one on one. Wilt tore Russell up as far as individual combined offensive and defensive impact goes 9 times out of 10. Russell was anchoring an organization that was on another level at that time, nobody could outcoach Red Aurbach, hardly anyone could outshoot Sam Jones in the clutch, nobody was a better press defender than K.C. Jones, no one was a better sixth man than Havlicek and no team was a better cohesive unit than the Celtics... Now this isn't to sell Bill Russell short, he was a beast no doubt, and extremely underrated in his all around abilities even as an offensive player but aside from rebounding, defending, and outlet passing to start fast breaks he falls short of Wilt's abilities in every other category and some by wide margin. Team success can definitely be used as a barometer of greatness, but it does not reflect who the better player was in this situation.

Depth of research makes me want to close this thread.

 

[Newzz]

Your size approximations are not correct

Bill Russell's measurements:
6-9.63 WITHOUT shoes (taller than Dwight Howard and Kevin Durant)
7-4 wingspan (1/2" less wingspan than Dwight Howard)
10.5" length hands, that's an inch longer than MJ and Wilt's hands, Bill had a nice set of mitts
215lbs as a rookie, 222lbs-228lbs prime weight range, 240lbs entering his final season. 240lbs is Dwight Howards rookie weight, and Bill played in the era before lifting weights was fashionable.

Wilt Chamberlain's measurements:
7-1.06 WITHOUT shoes (taller than EVERYONE in the league today except for Thabeet who is 7-1.25 w/o shoes)
7-8 wingspan - greater than anyone in the league by 2 full inches
9.5"x11.5" hands - wider thumb to pinky spread than anyone in the league
258lbs as a rookie (18lbs heavier than Dwight as a rookie) 292lbs in his prime and 327lbs max which is heavier than current 270lb Dwight Howard by a whopping 57lbs. And still much heavier than even the absolute heaviest player in the league right now which is Andre Drummond at 297lbs.

Both Bill and Wilt were freak athletes and very imposing in stature. Don't be trying to sell them short. Now with that said Bill is still much smaller than Wilt to be sure, but Bill is about the size of modern centers minus the weight lifting bulk, but Bill didn't ever handle Wilt one on one, nobody handled Wilt one on one. Wilt tore Russell up as far as individual combined offensive and defensive impact goes 9 times out of 10. Russell was anchoring an organization that was on another level at that time, nobody could outcoach Red Aurbach, hardly anyone could outshoot Sam Jones in the clutch, nobody was a better press defender than K.C. Jones, no one was a better sixth man than Havlicek and no team was a better cohesive unit than the Celtics... Now this isn't to sell Bill Russell short, he was a beast no doubt, and extremely underrated in his all around abilities even as an offensive player but aside from rebounding, defending, and outlet passing to start fast breaks he falls short of Wilt's abilities in every other category and some by wide margin. Team success can definitely be used as a barometer of greatness, but it does not reflect who the better player was in this situation.

Props for the info breh

@FTBS I guess Wilt really WAS 7'3 on the court like I said earlier. KAJ, Wilt, Russell, The Dream, and Shaq are the greatest Centers ever.

 

[Newzz]

Your size approximations are not correct

Bill Russell's measurements:
6-9.63 WITHOUT shoes (taller than Dwight Howard and Kevin Durant)
7-4 wingspan (1/2" less wingspan than Dwight Howard)
10.5" length hands, that's an inch longer than MJ and Wilt's hands, Bill had a nice set of mitts
215lbs as a rookie, 222lbs-228lbs prime weight range, 240lbs entering his final season. 240lbs is Dwight Howards rookie weight, and Bill played in the era before lifting weights was fashionable.

Wilt Chamberlain's measurements:
7-1.06 WITHOUT shoes (taller than EVERYONE in the league today except for Thabeet who is 7-1.25 w/o shoes)
7-8 wingspan - greater than anyone in the league by 2 full inches
9.5"x11.5" hands - wider thumb to pinky spread than anyone in the league
258lbs as a rookie (18lbs heavier than Dwight as a rookie) 292lbs in his prime and 327lbs max which is heavier than current 270lb Dwight Howard by a whopping 57lbs. And still much heavier than even the absolute heaviest player in the league right now which is Andre Drummond at 297lbs.

Both Bill and Wilt were freak athletes and very imposing in stature. Don't be trying to sell them short. Now with that said Bill is still much smaller than Wilt to be sure, but Bill is about the size of modern centers minus the weight lifting bulk, but Bill didn't ever handle Wilt one on one, nobody handled Wilt one on one. Wilt tore Russell up as far as individual combined offensive and defensive impact goes 9 times out of 10. Russell was anchoring an organization that was on another level at that time, nobody could outcoach Red Aurbach, hardly anyone could outshoot Sam Jones in the clutch, nobody was a better press defender than K.C. Jones, no one was a better sixth man than Havlicek and no team was a better cohesive unit than the Celtics... Now this isn't to sell Bill Russell short, he was a beast no doubt, and extremely underrated in his all around abilities even as an offensive player but aside from rebounding, defending, and outlet passing to start fast breaks he falls short of Wilt's abilities in every other category and some by wide margin. Team success can definitely be used as a barometer of greatness, but it does not reflect who the better player was in this situation.

I had to re-quote u bc it was just so vulgar

I feel like Jay-Z after he got hit with that Ether

 

[mitter]

Magic got back to the Finals without Kareem and won a title as a rookie when Kareem got hurt. Magic got hurt the following year, and the Lakers didn't even make it out the first round.

How long has LeBron been the undisputed best player in the league? 3 years? Kareem had a decade of dominance with only one ring to show for it.

You don't know what you're talking about.


In the 1980 Finals, Kareem dominated in the first five games. Magic stepped up and had an all-time great Game 6. But if you think they would have won the whole series without Kareem (who put them in position to close out in the first place), you have no idea what actually happened.



Magic got hurt the following year ... and was back in time for the playoffs. Go read about how the Lakers lost in a 3-game miniseries at the last second when Magic airballed a shot that would have tied the deciding game.

 

[mitter]

His records are cuz he played 20 years.My argument has nothing to do with jordan's popularity He influenced more players and transcended the game more than kareem ever did.

Accomplishment wise jordan has him in everything except mvp's and all time scoring and if jordan played 20 years he would of had more in both

I Don't see nothing about kareem that makes him the goat.He's brett favre of the nba.

lol @ bringing up these random intangible measures.


Elgin Baylor had more influence than MJ.

Joe Fulks had more influence than MJ.

Who gives a fukk?

 

[mastermind]

In the 1980 Finals, Kareem dominated in the first five games. Magic stepped up and had an all-time great Game 6. But if you think they would have won the whole series without Kareem (who put them in position to close out in the first place), you have no idea what actually happened.

this was the start of the whitewashing of NBA history before 1980, imo.

I really dont know how Kareem didnt win MVP that finals. I know Magic had an all time game 6, and its not to throw shade against Magic, but Kareem was the best player that series.

 

[mitter]

THE GAME on the court.I don't give a fukk about airplane movies

Now name a big man kareem influenced

Jordan influenced kobe,lebron,wade.Now name a big man who plays like kareem and does skyhooks

Magic influenced Grant hill,penny hardaway,Pippen and several others.Kareem favre aint da goat and never will be

Kareem's hook is difficult to duplicate (and not as sexy as shooting three-pointers). That's why nobody uses it.

By the way, you are probably unaware that Kareem taught his younger teammate Magic how to shoot it.




Who cares how many people try to copy something? Nobody wants to use the Triangle offense (too difficult to learn), but it produced 11 championships.

 

[feelosofer]

Kareem's hook is difficult to duplicate (and not as sexy as shooting three-pointers). That's why nobody uses it.

By the way, you are probably unaware that Kareem taught his younger teammate Magic how to shoot it.




Who cares how many people try to copy something? Nobody wants to use the Triangle offense (too difficult to learn), but it produced 11 championships.

Shamgod is a fool don't argue

 

[mitter]

this was the start of the whitewashing of NBA history before 1980, imo.

I really dont know how Kareem didnt win MVP that finals. I know Magic had an all time game 6, and its not to throw shade against Magic, but Kareem was the best player that series.

Yeah. It was actually quite controversial that Magic got the Finals MVP in 1980. But it made for a more compelling story (the 20-year old rookie steps in for his injured teammate and leads his team to victory).


Magic had an all-time great Game 6.

But few people know that Kareem had an all-time great Game 5 to put them in the position to close it out.

He had 40 points, 15 rebounds and 4 blocks. He sprained his ankle badly in the 3rd quarter. He returned in the 4th quarter and scored 14 points and blocked 2 shots. It was a close game that went down to the wire. Dr. J scored 16 points in the 4th and nobody could stop him. The game was tied in the final minute. Kareem scored and converted a free throw for a three-point play to put the Lakers up. On the next play, Dr. J drove to the basket and Kareem forced him into a difficult shot, which he missed. That basically sealed the victory.

That put the Lakers up 3-2 and all the pressure was on Philly to beat a young team without the league MVP. What if the Lakers lost Game 5? Would the young players on the Lakers would have been as loose and relaxed, knowing that they were on the verge of elimination and without their best player?