"NBA plays no defense"

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as compared to what? the ncaa? college basketball just sloppy as fukk

don't tell that to a person who doesn't know sports

I can't tell you how many times I read "CBB PLAYS WITH DEFENSE, HEART, AND INTEGRITY"

like fukk no... most teams play zone, the IQ is sloppy a lot of times, 35 shot clock where 20 seconds is just dribbling around

shyt gets annoying at times... FIBA U19 ball runs slightly better just cause they use a 24 second shot clock
 

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don't tell that to a person who doesn't know sports

I can't tell you how many times I read "CBB PLAYS WITH DEFENSE, HEART, AND INTEGRITY"

like fukk no... most teams play zone, the IQ is sloppy a lot of times, 35 shot clock where 20 seconds is just dribbling around

shyt gets annoying at times... FIBA U19 ball runs slightly better just cause they use a 24 second shot clock
Dat possession arrow :noah:
 

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Team defense is better, teams score less today than they did 20 years ago. The league made it easier on offensive players because it was getting to the point where we were seeing a lot of 70 to 73 games.
Teams score less now(the little .7 point drop in scoring doesn't prove that teams play better defense now btw)because players aren't as skilled now vs 20 years ago despite being more athletic. This is why the league had to help offenses out by changing the rules. Offensive play has deteriorated over the last 20 years. Teams are taking damn near twice as many 3s nowadays vs 20 years ago. That the influx of HS and one and done kids. Anybody who honestly thinks that teams play better defense now compared to 20 years ago is clueless.
 

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The Spurs, Heat, Pacers all play team defense.
Along with Chi and the Clippers those are probably the est defensive teams in the league. Now compare them to the best defensive teams of 20 years ago and it's no comparison. Teams aren't playing better defense, offense has just fallen off. The game used to be played inside out now it's played mostly on the perimeter.
 

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Along with Chi and the Clippers those are probably the est defensive teams in the league. Now compare them to the best defensive teams of 20 years ago and it's no comparison. Teams aren't playing better defense, offense has just fallen off. The game used to be played inside out now it's played mostly on the perimeter.
The Clippers aren't a good defensive team. :dahell:

Nobody played defense in the 80's and dudes were able to get away a lot more on defense than today.
 

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the clippers/rockets game featured 66 3's attempted. LA attempted 41.

the league is becoming redundant with all this small ball/pick n roll/pick n pop/3 point shooting.
 

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The Clippers aren't a good defensive team. :dahell:

Nobody played defense in the 80's and dudes were able to get away a lot more on defense than today.
Don't miss the point focusing on specifics. Whichever teams you want to deem as being good defensively in today's league just don't compare to teams from 20 years ago. I'm not talking about the 80s I'm talking the 90s.
 

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Don't miss the point focusing on specifics. Whichever teams you want to deem as being good defensively in today's league just don't compare to teams from 20 years ago. I'm not talking about the 80s I'm talking the 90s.
90's? :mjlol:

That grind out garbage? Did I not just tell you that it was easier to play defense back then?
 

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90's? :mjlol:

That grind out garbage? Did I not just tell you that it was easier to play defense back then?
No shyt it was "easier" to play defense back then. Did you not just see me say that the league changed the rules to make it easier for offenses/harder for defenses now? I quoted you challenging your statement that teams play better defense now. Teams don't play better defense now they just aren't as good offensively. If you put the teams from the 90s in today's league under todays rules you'd see a lot more scoring.
 

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Teams score less now(the little .7 point drop in scoring doesn't prove that teams play better defense now btw)because players aren't as skilled now vs 20 years ago despite being more athletic. This is why the league had to help offenses out by changing the rules. Offensive play has deteriorated over the last 20 years. Teams are taking damn near twice as many 3s nowadays vs 20 years ago. That the influx of HS and one and done kids. Anybody who honestly thinks that teams play better defense now compared to 20 years ago is clueless.


The year before the handcheck rule was put into place the league average was 93.4ppg on .439%, today it is 100.8ppg on .453, that is a substantial difference when we're talking about an entire league. And even with that rule in place we have teams comparable to the best defensive squads 10 years ago, statistically the Pacers are one of the best defensive teams ever, and this year when Gasol is in the lineup the Grizz are also one of the best defenses ever.

So, players aren't as skilled today as they were 20 years ago, yet they shoot a higher percentage on 2pt shots and a higher percentage from the freethrow line? No, the league helped out offenses because teams were starting to take advantage of the zone principles and in conjunction with handchecking and all these SF's with 7"0+ wingspans it made scoring insanely difficult. Look at it like this, 20 years ago John Starks was guarding the best perimeter player on the opposing team, today Paul George gets that assignment. Who would you rather have defending people on the wing, Starks at 6'3" or George at 6'10"?

Teams take a ton of 3s because they have to, not because of a lack of skill, that doesn't even make sense when you stop and think about it. Despite taking twice as many 3s, the league average today is .360% from 3, vs .366% 20 years ago. So, you can't have it both ways, you can't say they are less skilled even though they shoot comparable or higher percentages, especially when you have defensive squads in the league today that are better than any team 20 years ago.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
No shyt it was "easier" to play defense back then. Did you not just see me say that the league changed the rules to make it easier for offenses/harder for defenses now? I quoted you challenging your statement that teams play better defense now. Teams don't play better defense now they just aren't as good offensively. If you put the teams from the 90s in today's league under todays rules you'd see a lot more scoring.


Defending is harder today in your own words, yet we got a team like the Pacers holding teams to .417% :russ: So, how good would they be if they were allowed to play under the rules the 90s teams were?


The Bulls are second @ .429%, the best team in the NBA 20 years ago were the Knicks at .431. So, two teams today are holding teams to percentages lower than what the Knicks were, in a league where it's harder to play defense? :mjpls:
 

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The "hand check era" argument isn't a valid excuse... A LOT of these new players(2000-present) think they can drop 40ppg a night like Iverson and Kobe and not play any D. They are just lazy with fundamentals or just lazy period and now it's affecting the quality of teams in the NBA. Lots of terrible starting 5's(in the East) and poor bench depth
 

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The year before the handcheck rule was put into place the league average was 93.4ppg on .439%, today it is 100.8ppg on .453, that is a substantial difference when we're talking about an entire league. And even with that rule in place we have teams comparable to the best defensive squads 10 years ago, statistically the Pacers are one of the best defensive teams ever, and this year when Gasol is in the lineup the Grizz are also one of the best defenses ever.
This is why stats aren't the end all be all. Neither this years Pacers or the Grizz are among the "best defensive teams ever". I don't care what the stats say.

So, players aren't as skilled today as they were 20 years ago, yet they shoot a higher percentage on 2pt shots and a higher percentage from the freethrow line?
:pachaha: Yea the .003% difference in percentage is worth mentioning and not the fact that teams took considerably more 2pa back then. Free throw percentage doesn't really support your point either because teams took more fts back then and you had more big men taking fts. If you want proof of a lack of skill in today's game just look at the lack of midrange and post players. Dwight Howard is the best center in the league and has been for the last 5-6 years. Nuff said.

No, the league helped out offenses because teams were starting to take advantage of the zone principles and in conjunction with handchecking and all these SF's with 7"0+ wingspans it made scoring insanely difficult. Look at it like this, 20 years ago John Starks was guarding the best perimeter player on the opposing team, today Paul George gets that assignment. Who would you rather have defending people on the wing, Starks at 6'3" or George at 6'10"?
Save the hyperbole man. Who would you rather have Paul George defending your wing or Scittie Pippen? Who would you rather have defending your paint Birdman or Dream? You're basically making my point here. Those 90s cats got so good at playing defense(coupled with the fact that offensensive play declined) that they had to change the rules help the offenses out.

Teams take a ton of 3s because they have to, not because of a lack of skill, that doesn't even make sense when you stop and think about it. Despite taking twice as many 3s, the league average today is .360% from 3, vs .366% 20 years ago. So, you can't have it both ways, you can't say they are less skilled even though they shoot comparable or higher percentages, especially when you have defensive squads in the league today that are better than any team 20 years ago.
You have a narrow incomplete understanding of what basketball skills are. Skills represent a lot more than shooting percentages. Players of today can be better 3point shooters and ft shooters while still being less skilled than players of 20 years ago. The entry pass into the post is a skill bruh. When I talk about skills I'm talking about a lot of the basic fundamentals of basketball. When you look at today's game and how heavily perimeter oriented it has become you have to look at the lack of skill regarding inside play as a big reason why. You have big men who don't have basic fundamental post skills and you have guards who don't even know how to enter the ball into the post. The idea that teams shoot so many 3s today because they "have to" is just ridiculous. Teams are taking a ton of 3s because they don't have the skill or discipline to get consistent decent looks at 2s. Al Jefferson is proof that a decently skilled big man can kill shyt in this league yet big men of his caliber are few and far between. Again, the best center for the last 5-6 years is a minimally skilled cat who gets by on size and athleticism. Shaq looks like Dream compared to Dwight.
 
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