philmonroe
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Are you really comparing them roster though fam? Come on fam
Need A Legit 2nd Option? Holla at Us... 2017 Bulls Off-Season Thread
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nomoreneveragain
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Butler's played too many minutes for me trust him long term but
How would a Wiggins/Butler trade look like?
I think that would put Minn in the Top 3 in the West
How would a Wiggins/Butler trade look like?
I think that would put Minn in the Top 3 in the West
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
It's not comparing rosters, the point was believing you have to clear a roster out to suit a certain coach. Fred has done nothing to warrant that. Let's not act like fred inherited a lottery team. He was hired to a 50 win team that was 3rd in the east and made the 2nd rd. He turned it into mud. Meanwhile thibs was taking teams led by nate Robinson to the 2nd rd. Taking teams led by point center noah to 4th in the east. If you can coach you coach what you have. Not like any coach could come and take the cavs and warriors and win it all with them, made evident by the examples I just posted, they both had coaching changes.
Conscious Pilot
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Rondo coaching in That Salmon colored Chopper suit in game 4>>anything I saw from Hoinerd all series
philmonroe
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You have to clear the roster if the players don't fit the system the incoming coach runs. I'm acting like the team he inherited doesn't run that system he does. You can blame that on garpax but acting like because Thibs got these dudes somewhere running a different style means Fred should do the same thing that's not realistic. If that's how you want to believe do you fam. Im not saying dude the greatest but I do know the shyt they run here don't resemble what we thought we were getting offensive wise.
Your examples are kinda outliers my man. Jackson was a culture clash and the cavs was some bs that rarely happens. Technically you're right though but the circumstances are different.
Not all coaches are the same breh. Thibs is a different beast all together, but even still... even with a ton of talent in Minny he didn't even make the playoffs.
Personnel has a lot to do with how a coach looks. D'antoni in PHX and HOU looks a hell of a lot better than D'antoni in LA and NYC right?
To be fair... Hoiberg has coached what he's had and switched up his entire offensive mentality to appease Jimmy Butler for the last 2 years. I'm not saying he shouldn't be fired, I'm just being realistic in that he's more than likely not going to be fired and being objective about his tenure here.
How was signing Rondo and Wade a good look for what Fred's vision for offense is? On top of that, Jimmy already excels most in isolation... so that's 3 players who demand playing time, that aren't great shooters playing for a coach that is all about floor spacing, ball movement and shooting 3s?
Wiggins, Bricky/Dunn, and a 1st
They only need one of those guards, and the pick won't be great because like you said Butler will make them top 3 in the West ( your words not mine) so I don't see Minny saying no....
But would Chicago pull the trigger? You have brought up an interesting trade hypothetical
ultimately though at best I see it as a wash for us, we certainly aren't getting better with that trade unless we hit on that pick
HNIC973
R.I.P Bandana P
We are the Bulls a tier below Boston&LA as far as championships go our expectations should be a hell of a lot higher then 2ND round pushesWe were a Rondo injury away from the 2nd round
Retool this summer and actually get some Hoi soldiers to run whatever schemes he thinks he has so that way we can either go further than we did this year or Hoibytch can prove every Bull fan right about him being awful so the FO can give him the Camby. It's obvious we're stuck with GarPax so I won't waste time stressing over them BUT I know id rather see playoff pushes over early April fishing trips
Cliff notes: I'd rather be the clippers of the past four years than the Timberwolves of the past fifteen. Everybody wants a championship but there's only one to be had each year so rather than screaming BLOW IT UP every year how bout we play competitive basketball and work with what we have is all I'm saying.
.fukk that happy to be there shyt we not the Bucks it's fukking sad how bad our fanbase has lowered the standard that was built by MJ Pip&Phil.We are willing to except 2nd round as a success now?
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
For me, this is not a argument over coach vs personnel. This is a argument over kicking a rebuild off by shipping a proven all star off, to appease fred hoiberg. Coach and roster has to go hand and hand of course.
Garpax is unfortunately going nowhere. So the call has to be to pressure them to build properly. Couple reasons I can agree would be scenarios that makes it a good idea to trade jimmy. But , "we need a roster that fits fred system" is not one of them. Fred doesn't have a system. He talked a good game but his intentions is what all nba coaches want. But it's only 1 splash brothers. Rest of the league has to do the best with what they have. We do have to improve the roster, fred needs to prove he even belongs in the nba. At this point he looks like he should be back in college.
Captain Crunch
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The thing about a Wiggins/Lavine trade, is that you have to make a decision on paying him next year. Ingram; the Lakers 2017 pick, and the Rockets 2017 pick is probably the best Jimmy deal outside of Boston/Philly.
@Malta @CantStop @2Quik4UHoes
Y'all think Magic that thirsty for a star to make that move?
@Malta @CantStop @2Quik4UHoes
Y'all think Magic that thirsty for a star to make that move?
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
You don't clear rosters to please coaches unless that coach has stripes. A coach coming in talking a good game "pace and space" does not mean trade your all star, clear the roster out and hand him the keys. What in the past 2 seasons has hoiberg demonstrated that warrants us putting the future of our franchise in his hands? The few times the players shot way above they averages and looked great doesn't equal hoiberg is a success. Brooklyn nets had more wins down the stretch this season, does that mean there future is promising? No, these are nba players, even with the worst team they will put it all together for a few nights a year. Fred hasn't shown anything. If it's jimmy vs fred, then fred goes. Hell if it's valentine vs fred, fred goes.
Fred has not implemented anything on offense nor defense that makes our future look promising. The dude was literally on the sidelines seeking advise from asst. Coaches before he could address the team. Dude is clueless. Being able to motivate your roster and get the best out of all your players is a skill a coach must have. I rather fire fred and hire rondo as coach. Turn he roster over to him than fred.
Father time is undefeated; MJ and Pip ain't walking through that door bruh.We are the Bulls a tier below Boston&LA as far as championships go our expectations should be a hell of a lot higher then 2ND round pushes
LA ain't been shyt in years, and Boston ain't making it past the 2nd round either so what are you saying???? What plan do you have to actually "restore the feeling" or are you just crying without a realistic vision
BLOW IT UP ain't honoring MJ
and sure isn't a guaranteed path to success. I feel like you just whining just to whine nikka I know it hurts that our season over and we in a bad space right now but pull it together breh
Hopefully not, who are we getting in this deal? Besides, our pick belongs to Philly unless we get a top 3 pick. I prefer to keep Ingram, I think he'll be a star in this league.