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Carbon Dating is cool but I think it could be flawed.


I just can't completely indefinitely buy into the idea that you can take an Old object/matter and date it back to literally Hundreds of Millions & Billions of years ago.


I'm not saying that it ain't a good tool but I question it's accuracy. How can we touch the Moons and Stars and build Organs and do shyt like Carbon Dating that could literally tell you Day One of Planet Earth's existence. But we can't cure the Common Cold, Cancer, Prejudice, Pollution, and World Hunger. There's a gap there




So carbon dating is cool n all but I'ma need a little more than a bunch of circles that look like rings to "prove" to me that you can trace shyt back to literally the beginning of time


the problem with talking to most conspiracy theorists is they'll put the burden of proof on the other person and then reject science when it's presented to them.

it's a no win situation.

believe what you will.

and :russ: @ you listing prejudice and world hunger.
 

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Or nah. I don't refuse to accept anything. I just refuse to accept Anything.


Until I'm talking with THE actual Creator(s) then everything else is hearsay. We're in the year 5000-something, according to Scripture (or something like that). But everybody will swear it's 2016.


Point being. Anybody can say anything, including Me. But it doesn't always necessarily make it right no matter how much Research that I put in to it.


And just based off of technicalities, again. You're the only anti-intellectual when it comes to You & I

It's funny you mentioned scripture...not a bible fan but i know it and was holdin off on these scriptures for you...

Job 26:7 - "He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing"

Job 26:10 - "He marks out the horizon on the surface of the waters. He makes a boundary between light and darkness.

Isaiah - 40:21-22 - "Do you not know? Have you not heard?Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze,And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."


Also, we've been in existence for more than 5000 years...a Harvard professor proved that caucasians have only been in existence for 5000 to 6000 years and who gave us the "bible" and the notion that all human beings been here for only 5000 to 6000 years?...you have australian aborigines who've existed for more than 50,000 years...the Egyptians and Africa pre-date that notion only existing for 5 or 6000 years...here are some excerpts from the article on the findings by the Harvard professor I speak of...

"Most of us think of Europe as the ancestral home of white people. But a new study shows that pale skin, as well as other traits such as tallness and the ability to digest milk as adults, arrived in most of the continent relatively recently. The work, presented here last week at the 84th annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, offers dramatic evidence of recent evolution in Europe and shows that most modern Europeans don’t look much like those of 8000 years ago."


"The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

"Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency."

"The team also tracked complex traits, such as height, which are the result of the interaction of many genes. They found that selection strongly favored several gene variants for tallness in northern and central Europeans, starting 8000 years ago, with a boost coming from the Yamnaya migration, starting 4800 years ago. The Yamnaya have the greatest genetic potential for being tall of any of the populations, which is consistent with measurements of their ancient skeletons. In contrast, selection favored shorter people in Italy and Spain starting 8000 years ago, according to the paper now posted on the bioRxiv preprint server. Spaniards, in particular, shrank in stature 6000 years ago, perhaps as a result of adapting to colder temperatures and a poor diet."

The Professors name is David Reich...here's the link...and you can google him... http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

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ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI—Most of us think of Europe as the ancestral home of white people. But a new study shows that pale skin, as well as other traits such as tallness and the ability to digest milk as adults, arrived in most of the continent relatively recently. The work, presented here last week at the 84th annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, offers dramatic evidence of recent evolution in Europe and shows that most modern Europeans don’t look much like those of 8000 years ago.

The origins of Europeans have come into sharp focus in the past year as researchers have sequenced the genomes of ancient populations, rather than only a few individuals. By comparing key parts of the DNA across the genomes of 83 ancient individuals from archaeological sites throughout Europe, the international team of researchers reported earlier this year that Europeans today are a mix of the blending of at least three ancient populations of hunter-gatherers and farmers who moved into Europe in separate migrations over the past 8000 years. The study revealed that a massive migration of Yamnaya herders from the steppes north of the Black Sea may have brought Indo-European languages to Europeabout 4500 years ago.

Now, a new study from the same team drills down further into that remarkable data to search for genes that were under strong natural selection—including traits so favorable that they spread rapidly throughout Europe in the past 8000 years. By comparing the ancient European genomes with those of recent ones from the 1000 Genomes Project, population geneticist Iain Mathieson, a postdoc in the Harvard University lab of population geneticist David Reich, found five genes associated with changes in diet and skin pigmentation that underwent strong natural selection.

First, the scientists confirmed an earlier report that the hunter-gatherers in Europe could not digest the sugars in milk 8000 years ago, according to a poster. They also noted an interesting twist: The first farmers also couldn’t digest milk. The farmers who came from the Near East about 7800 years ago and the Yamnaya pastoralists who came from the steppes 4800 years ago lacked the version of the LCT gene that allows adults to digest sugars in milk. It wasn’t until about 4300 years ago that lactose tolerance swept through Europe.

When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European’s skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.

The team also tracked complex traits, such as height, which are the result of the interaction of many genes. They found that selection strongly favored several gene variants for tallness in northern and central Europeans, starting 8000 years ago, with a boost coming from the Yamnaya migration, starting 4800 years ago. The Yamnaya have the greatest genetic potential for being tall of any of the populations, which is consistent with measurements of their ancient skeletons. In contrast, selection favored shorter people in Italy and Spain starting 8000 years ago, according to the paper now posted on the bioRxiv preprint server. Spaniards, in particular, shrank in stature 6000 years ago, perhaps as a result of adapting to colder temperatures and a poor diet.

Surprisingly, the team found no immune genes under intense selection, which is counter to hypotheses that diseases would have increased after the development of agriculture.

The paper doesn’t specify why these genes might have been under such strong selection. But the likely explanation for the pigmentation genes is to maximize vitamin D synthesis, said paleoanthropologist Nina Jablonski of Pennsylvania State University (Penn State), University Park, as she looked at the poster’s results at the meeting. People living in northern latitudes often don’t get enough UV to synthesize vitamin D in their skin so natural selection has favored two genetic solutions to that problem—evolving pale skin that absorbs UV more efficiently or favoring lactose tolerance to be able to digest the sugars and vitamin D naturally found in milk. “What we thought was a fairly simple picture of the emergence of depigmented skin in Europe is an exciting patchwork of selection as populations disperse into northern latitudes,” Jablonski says. “This data is fun because it shows how much recent evolution has taken place.”

Anthropological geneticist George Perry, also of Penn State, notes that the work reveals how an individual’s genetic potential is shaped by their diet and adaptation to their habitat. “We’re getting a much more detailed picture now of how selection works.”
 

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the problem with talking to most conspiracy theorists is they'll put the burden of proof on the other person and then reject science when it's presented to them.

it's a no win situation.

believe what you will.

and :russ: @ you listing prejudice and world hunger.


I don't deny Science, I encourage learning. I figure, the more in depth we go into Science, the more we figure out how G-d did all of this. I fukk with "Science". I do.



But nobody can Fact Check science except for other people in the same field. And a Science is only as good as the Man who "discovered" it. The same men/women who got here like I did. So that FACT is all that I need to know. Anything past that is my own thirst for knowledge and imagination getting the best of me.



Lol. And I mentioned "prejudice" and "world hunger" because something as Simple as that "can't" be Solved but a muthafukka tellin me that he can take a rib from a T-Rex and say how old it is, what Color it was, what it's poop smelled like, n some more shyt.

even though he doesn't know anything else about the Animal other than the fact that it used to be here, it had sharp teeth, and it was bigger than a muthafukka
 

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It's funny you mentioned scripture...not a bible fan but i know it and was holdin off on these scriptures for you...

Job 26:7 - "He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing"

Job 26:10 - "He marks out the horizon on the surface of the waters. He makes a boundary between light and darkness.

Isaiah - 40:21-22 - "Do you not know? Have you not heard?Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze,And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."


Also, we've been in existence for more than 5000 years...a Harvard professor proved that caucasians have only been in existence for 5000 to 6000 years and who gave us the "bible" and the notion that all human beings been here for only 5000 to 6000 years?...you have australian aborigines who've existed for more than 50,000 years...the Egyptians and Africa pre-date that notion only existing for 5 or 6000 years...here are some excerpts from the article on the findings by the Harvard professor I speak of...

"Most of us think of Europe as the ancestral home of white people. But a new study shows that pale skin, as well as other traits such as tallness and the ability to digest milk as adults, arrived in most of the continent relatively recently. The work, presented here last week at the 84th annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, offers dramatic evidence of recent evolution in Europe and shows that most modern Europeans don’t look much like those of 8000 years ago."


"The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

"Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency."

"The team also tracked complex traits, such as height, which are the result of the interaction of many genes. They found that selection strongly favored several gene variants for tallness in northern and central Europeans, starting 8000 years ago, with a boost coming from the Yamnaya migration, starting 4800 years ago. The Yamnaya have the greatest genetic potential for being tall of any of the populations, which is consistent with measurements of their ancient skeletons. In contrast, selection favored shorter people in Italy and Spain starting 8000 years ago, according to the paper now posted on the bioRxiv preprint server. Spaniards, in particular, shrank in stature 6000 years ago, perhaps as a result of adapting to colder temperatures and a poor diet."

The Professors name is David Reich...here's the link...and you can google him... http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

:sas2:

ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI—Most of us think of Europe as the ancestral home of white people. But a new study shows that pale skin, as well as other traits such as tallness and the ability to digest milk as adults, arrived in most of the continent relatively recently. The work, presented here last week at the 84th annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, offers dramatic evidence of recent evolution in Europe and shows that most modern Europeans don’t look much like those of 8000 years ago.

The origins of Europeans have come into sharp focus in the past year as researchers have sequenced the genomes of ancient populations, rather than only a few individuals. By comparing key parts of the DNA across the genomes of 83 ancient individuals from archaeological sites throughout Europe, the international team of researchers reported earlier this year that Europeans today are a mix of the blending of at least three ancient populations of hunter-gatherers and farmers who moved into Europe in separate migrations over the past 8000 years. The study revealed that a massive migration of Yamnaya herders from the steppes north of the Black Sea may have brought Indo-European languages to Europeabout 4500 years ago.

Now, a new study from the same team drills down further into that remarkable data to search for genes that were under strong natural selection—including traits so favorable that they spread rapidly throughout Europe in the past 8000 years. By comparing the ancient European genomes with those of recent ones from the 1000 Genomes Project, population geneticist Iain Mathieson, a postdoc in the Harvard University lab of population geneticist David Reich, found five genes associated with changes in diet and skin pigmentation that underwent strong natural selection.

First, the scientists confirmed an earlier report that the hunter-gatherers in Europe could not digest the sugars in milk 8000 years ago, according to a poster. They also noted an interesting twist: The first farmers also couldn’t digest milk. The farmers who came from the Near East about 7800 years ago and the Yamnaya pastoralists who came from the steppes 4800 years ago lacked the version of the LCT gene that allows adults to digest sugars in milk. It wasn’t until about 4300 years ago that lactose tolerance swept through Europe.

When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European’s skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.

The team also tracked complex traits, such as height, which are the result of the interaction of many genes. They found that selection strongly favored several gene variants for tallness in northern and central Europeans, starting 8000 years ago, with a boost coming from the Yamnaya migration, starting 4800 years ago. The Yamnaya have the greatest genetic potential for being tall of any of the populations, which is consistent with measurements of their ancient skeletons. In contrast, selection favored shorter people in Italy and Spain starting 8000 years ago, according to the paper now posted on the bioRxiv preprint server. Spaniards, in particular, shrank in stature 6000 years ago, perhaps as a result of adapting to colder temperatures and a poor diet.

Surprisingly, the team found no immune genes under intense selection, which is counter to hypotheses that diseases would have increased after the development of agriculture.

The paper doesn’t specify why these genes might have been under such strong selection. But the likely explanation for the pigmentation genes is to maximize vitamin D synthesis, said paleoanthropologist Nina Jablonski of Pennsylvania State University (Penn State), University Park, as she looked at the poster’s results at the meeting. People living in northern latitudes often don’t get enough UV to synthesize vitamin D in their skin so natural selection has favored two genetic solutions to that problem—evolving pale skin that absorbs UV more efficiently or favoring lactose tolerance to be able to digest the sugars and vitamin D naturally found in milk. “What we thought was a fairly simple picture of the emergence of depigmented skin in Europe is an exciting patchwork of selection as populations disperse into northern latitudes,” Jablonski says. “This data is fun because it shows how much recent evolution has taken place.”

Anthropological geneticist George Perry, also of Penn State, notes that the work reveals how an individual’s genetic potential is shaped by their diet and adaptation to their habitat. “We’re getting a much more detailed picture now of how selection works.”


I think the numbers themselves of the Biblical days were lost in translation over time.


What's it really mean to be 777 years of age?


We don't know because we didn't talk to them. I ain't got Noah on speed dial.
 

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I think the numbers themselves of the Biblical days were lost in translation over time.


What's it really mean to be 777 years of age?


We don't know because we didn't talk to them. I ain't got Noah on speed dial.

2 Peter 3:8 - "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with GOD as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."
Psalms 90:4 - "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night."

Just say that YOU don't know...leave those that know out of it...and GOD is a plural noun which means US, Them, WE, Gods/Goddesses...why you think GOD said "Let US make man in our image"...who the hell is US????...The masculine and the feminine conjoined together as The ONE...live a little bit...listen a little bit more and you may learn something...don't be a troll all your life...
 

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2 Peter 3:8 - "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with GOD as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."
Psalms 90:4 - "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night."

Just say that YOU don't know...leave those that know out of it...and GOD is a plural noun which means US, Them, WE, Gods/Goddesses...why you think GOD said "Let US make man in our image"...who the hell is US????...The masculine and the feminine conjoined together as The ONE...live a little bit...listen a little bit more and you may learn something...don't be a troll all your life...

You're trolling tho and I'm going to pick you apart



one day is with GOD as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

G-d lives in a different Time Zone. I gotchu. So do me and Lil' Durk.



But what does that have to do with the Topography of the Earth?
 

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Oh okay. You just accuse me of the same thing he's saying even though I've already said that I can understand both sides of it.




Because truth be told. The earth could very well be round. While at the same time, The Land could be flat.



the only thing that I know that I know is that I'm here
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:wow:
 

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The fact that you're here to ask these dumb ass questions proves the sun is hot....because if it wasn't there would be zero life on this planet. It would be an icy waste land like Neptune.

Fred.


Ummm. I didn't ask YOU or anybody anything in the first place. People just got in their feelings.




And who can prove that it's THAT big orange object in the sky that's producing heat? We could be living in a fukking incubator for all you know. You ain't never touched the Sun




Smokin Joe.
 

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You're trolling tho and I'm going to pick you apart

G-d lives in a different Time Zone. I gotchu. So do me and Lil' Durk.



But what does that have to do with the Topography of the Earth?​



There's no such thing as time - Albert Einstein
 
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