Nevada Democratic Caucus - 2/20

[No1]

Really. @Abogado said this is the most depressed generation? This is the most spoiled and entitled generation

He basically saying Bernie stans would rather argue with the ump and get thrown out the game because they are mad they hit a single instead of a home run.

The country is moving left every day. Bernie losing isn't the end of the world but letting the repubs win and appoint a new SC justice for the next 30 years may be.

Now you sound like a Republican. This is the most educated, least racist, least violent generation of all time. They have an average of 30k in debt. They have a devastated job market. They are depressed because there seems to be no sign of opportunity. I really think you guys need to stop trying to comment on politics because you're only showing how out of touch you are and you're making someone as level-headed as me annoyed. If you don't know what I'm talking about say that, but both young people AND their parents feel that their kids will have a worst life than they did. Do not spit on people's economic realities. Second, I never said they would stay home. They will come out just for that SCOTUS and then what? Do not take me out of context like that to try to make whatever superficial analysis you're trying to make. I said that you have to unite a party and shytting on the future of your party and the ones who drove turnout through volunteering and getting out the vote in 2008 and 2012 is not a wise strategy.

Why the fukk would you spit in their faces? It's literally a stupid thing to do. I wasn't talking about Sanders or Clinton, I was talking about you trolling the people that support Sanders when they literally view this shyt as an existential crisis. Keep telling people to vote for the lesser evil and then eventually Republicans will smarten up and put out a moderate and then those people will go and not show up and you're fukked as a Democrat. The more enthusiastic side almost always win.

@GzUp please come in here right now and explain how the people who were getting full time jobs with competition for jobs and when you could work at a plant and support a family of four had it tougher than these kids? Nowhere is it written that there is a certain level of struggle necessary for you to obtain basic humanity. If you do not think college should be a right? Why should there be any free public education? The logic for the latter is the same as the logic for the former? A 15 dollar minimum wage is the equivalent to what it was when it was first instituted. These "kids" are more efficient than the kids were in the generations prior and have not seen a raise. I might, no I will, fall back from posting on politics like I did before because I am going to become that dude who is "talking down" to people. This ignorance is literally making my head hurt.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Voting for the status quo because we need more time to get our shyt together before we have to battle these cacs.

Status quo is what is killing the black community, black income per capita has dropped, we are at the bottom of EVERYTHING. Worse is that the numbers are terrible.

Status quo is destroying us, yet these old bought off negroes vote for status quo


Status quo takes money from prison lobbysits

Status quo is what enabled banks to give working class black families terrible loans

Status quo is what continues to enable poverty level living conditions with out extending any genuine hope to black families everywhere in America

 

[ThaRealness]

Damn, so Hillary took that W. What does this mean for Bernie's chances? I aint got the time or energy to hate on Hillary, it is what it is..

She got SC coming up too though

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

and that has...let me calculate it hold on....0.0% to do with what I said. If you want to talk about that, quote a post that actually deals with that and not one discussing the average disposition of a Bernie super stan.

You came at dude with the "white liberals think they know what's best for us"

I asked you what have candidates like Hilary aka moderate Dems, done for us?

Maybe white liberals and I mean real liberals actually do want to solve income inequality. Which demographic is the poorest in America?

 

[BaggerofTea]

Oh stop being dense. An accounting major and basket weaving are not jobs in the labor force that have the same cost-benefit attached to them. An accounting major has opportunity over their life time to put the same or even more that they put back into the system than a basket weaver which is a low skilled job which is in no way going to lead to a high life time earnings. One is helping to refund the system that they is paying into and one is going to never repay the debt. I'm also not dense enough to believe that this is going to be a 1 to 1 situation. There will be those who may not have the expected outcome. Its about likelihood.

I don't use the word pragmatic personally as a "buzzword" as its an actual virtue I admire. I admired Obama's pragmatism and his level-headness on issues. I view Hillary as being more levelheaded and less married to her IDEALS than Bernie. Idealism is nice but it becomes a hindrance if you're not willing to put them aside or adjust them to get at least 90% of what you want.

Finally to answer your most desired question. I'm not naive to believe that republicans are going to rubber-stamp everything Hillary puts in front of them. I believe they are more likely to rubberstamp polices put in front of them by a more moderate democrat than a self-professed democratic socialist. Lets take the issue of college since I've mentioned this. Hillary has advocated free community college but increasing pell grants for universities while also working to encourage colleges to minimize tuition costs. Community college is practically free with the current grant program so while I'm not 100% behind making it free across the board, its less of a economic cost compared to full funding 4 year degrees. Bernie believes everyone should be able to get into all secondary education for free while hillary does not . Free college and increasing pell grant funding range from radical to less radical respectively. The first one is highly unlikely to ever pass while the second one...maybe.

Finally, I'll use the word pragmatic again. Lets say Hillary for example gets roadblocked on the above issues or Bernie gets roadblocked on his respective issue. Who is more likely to make adjustments to their plans to at least get something at least or who would more than likely engage in a everlasting stalemate with the congress because they didn't get EXACTLY what they want? I think Bernie is the latter and Hillary is the former.

By the way, I consider myself liberal but not an absolutely far left individual. More moderate. Bernie doesn't appeal to me that much as a result.

Another c00n ass negroes that was up in Obamas draws when he was talking "hope and change" (still hasn't done shyt) but know crying about pragmatism when someone is actually about that work

Also accounting will not be a viable major in 10 years thanks to progress made in artificial intelligence

 

[StatUS]

Damn, so Hillary took that W. What does this mean for Bernie's chances? I aint got the time or energy to hate on Hillary, it is what it is..

She got SC coming up too though

If you don't count Super Delegates it's still not over. Hill takes SC but there's not alot of data in other states plus Bernie has been closing polls down lately.

he pretty much has every demo on lock except old people white people and african americans.

She's still the favorite though.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

This is the most spoiled and entitled generation

IS THIS THE GENERATION THAT CAN WALK DOWN TO THE FACTORY, GET A GOOD JOB THERE WITH JUST A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, BUY A HOUSE AND TWO CARS WITH A SINGLE INCOME, RETIRE WITH A FULL PENSION PLAN AND MOVE TO FLORIDA AFTER THE 2.5 KIDS GO OFF TO TUITION-FREE STATE COLLEGES, BROTHER?

 

[ThaRealness]

If you don't count Super Delegates it's still not over. Hill takes SC but there's not alot of data in other states plus Bernie has been closing polls down lately.

he pretty much has every demo on lock except old people white people and african americans.

She's still the favorite though.

fukk that bytch

Spoiler

Had to get it out of my system

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

If everyone has a college education and everyone has "high incomes" then inflation will kick in, good's prices will go up and over time it becomes a zero sum game. Secondly, we have an issue with people dropping out of colleges at alarming rate. I think this funding needs to be tied to people who show they can perform (maybe 10% of high school classes) or other metrics that indicate the person isn't going to quit midway and bum around.

I agree with subsidizing degrees for example with high employment chances like nursing or the medical field but this idea that everyone should go to college for free is asinine and will not sustain itself without heavy taxation and it will lead to a lot of waste .

Also the main critique I've heard about economic "harm" on part of the Clinton president was welfare reform and NAFTA. I agree NAFTA and TPP and other trade agreements that kill american jobs need to be gone or revisited but as far as the welfare reform...I'm personally not as big a critic of it, especially when you look into what it entailed. For example it stopped making it possible to use welfare for an indefinite amount of time and instead you had to show you were actively job hunting and it put a 5 year limit on it.

No one actually expects for everyone to get a college degree. Just more. Especially more black folk.

I would argue that the biggest issue with Clinton other than mass incarceration, was deregulating Wall St. Which lead to the recession. Which lead to the black community losing half its wealth.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't understand you people. If you prefer Hillary it's one thing, but none of the people that I know that actually have a pulse on politics and the youth are acting like this. Sanders or Clinton supporter, none of them gloat when the other wins or tries to insult the other because they know the other side is needed to win. They also know that a Sanders-like supporter is the future (as in the next election-cycle forward). I told you guys she would win here earlier because of the unions, but union density is at an all time low. That and regular churchgoers. So two things that are decreasing. Also, older voters.

I get that you guys are watching this as political theater, but the Sanders demographic has to be engaged to win this election and everyone going forward. If they give up hope--and they are really hurting (the least optimistic generation in decades)--then the Democratic Party is fukked. We talk about how stupid the tea party is but if the Republican Party had not acquiesced to some degree, they would have fukked up their turnout. When will Democrats do the same thing? Hillary just won Nevada with only 20% of the voters thinking she gives a fukk about them. I mean goodness. Your strategy is, "She doesn't give a fukk about me, but she's better than the other guys." How long is that tenable?

you sound like Hov replying to Ether on Blueprint 2



Can't y'all, see that he's fake, the rap version of TD jakes
Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes
Won't break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?
I put dollars on mine, ask Columbine
When the Twin Towers dropped, I was the first in line
Donating proceeds off every ticket sold
When I was out on the road, that's how you judge Hov, no?
Ain't I supposed to be absorbed myself?
Every time there's a tragedy, I'm the first one to help
They call me this misogynist, but they don't call me the dude
To take his dollars to give gifts at the projects
These dudes is all politics, depositing checks
they put in they pocket, all you get in return is a lot of lip
And y'all buy the shyt, caught up in the hype
Cause the nikka wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshyt that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?
I've been real all my life, they confuse it with conceit
Since I will not lose, they try to help him cheat
But I will not lose, for even in defeat
There's a valuable lesson learned, so it evens it up for me
When the grass is cut, the snakes will show
I gotta thank the little homie Nas for that though
Saving me the hassle of speaking to half of these a$$holes
And I'ma let karma catch up to Jaz-O, whoa
I'm back before you had a chance to miss me
My mama can't save you this time, nikkas is history
Who you know flow vicious as me?
Yet so religiously, that's why they call me Hov
I get the spoils cause the victor is me (me, nikka)
You're an actor, you're not who you're depicted to be
The street dreamin, all y'all nikkas living through me
I gave you life when nikkas was forgetting you emcee
I'm a legend, you should take a picture with me
You should be happy to be in my presence, I should charge you a fee
I'm Big Dog, Glenn Rob, listen God you a flea
And the little homey Jungle is a garden to me
What's the problem B? You not as hard as me
nikka hard as we, nikka R O C, nikka
That's why they follow me, they feel my pain and my agony, nikka
I won't rest till you on one knee
You want war then it's war's gonna be, nikka
Until you on one knee, you want war then it's war's gonna be, nikka

Spoiler

Takeover > ETHER

...however

 

[wire28]

Now you sound like a Republican. This is the most educated, least racist, least violent generation of all time. They have an average of 30k in debt. They have a devastated job market. They are depressed because there seems to be no sign of opportunity. I really think you guys need to stop trying to comment on politics because you're only showing how out of touch you are and you're making someone as level-headed as me annoyed. If you don't know what I'm talking about say that, but both young people AND their parents feel that their kids will have a worst life than they did. Do not spit on people's economic realities. Second, I never said they would stay home. They will come out just for that SCOTUS and then what? Do not take me out of context like that to try to make whatever superficial analysis you're trying to make. I said that you have to unite a party and shytting on the future of your party and the ones who drove turnout through volunteering and getting out the vote in 2008 and 2012 is not a wise strategy.

Why the fukk would you spit in their faces? It's literally a stupid thing to do.

@GzUp please come in here right now and explain how the people who were getting full time jobs with competition for jobs and when you could work at a plant and support a family of four had it tougher than these kids? Nowhere is it written that there is a certain level of struggle necessary for you to obtain basic humanity. If you do not think college should be a right? Why should there be any free public education? The logic for the latter is the same as the logic for the former? A 15 dollar minimum wage is the equivalent to what it was when it was first instituted. These "kids" are more efficient than the kids were in the generations prior and have not seen a raise. I might, no I will, fall back from posting on politics like I did before because I am going to become that dude who is "talking down" to people. This ignorance is literally making my head hurt.

Giving yourself a large pat on the back there. I actually prefer Bernie over Hillary, agree with 80% of what you say and you still go at me like I'm a Scalia stan.

And again, telling people who don't agree with you on everything that they are out of touch and puffing out your chest that you are the only reasonable person in the room is why everybody hates Bernie stans.

This is the instant gratification generation whose intention span is measured in instagrams, vines and snap chats. If they are as educated as you say, they'll recognize the country is moving left everyday and we are closer to getting Bernie 8 years from now than another Hillary.

 

[Darth Nubian]

Status quo is what is killing the black community, black income per capita has dropped, we are at the bottom of EVERYTHING. Worse is that the numbers are terrible.

Status quo is destroying us, yet these old bought off negroes vote for status quo


Status quo takes money from prison lobbysits

Status quo is what enabled banks to give working class black families terrible loans

Status quo is what continues to enable poverty level living conditions with out extending any genuine hope to black families everywhere in America

That aint going to change by voting for crackers Use this time to learn how to be self sufficient. Can you shoot, can you grow food, what type of physical shape are you in? America is headed down, and when that happens all the conservatives and pretentious white liberals are going to point at us and say its our fault. They gonna try to take us off of here en masse. If we cant do for self we have no chance. You fakkits want to bring the reckoning sooner even though you know we aren't prepared.

 

[GzUp]

Damn, so Hillary took that W. What does this mean for Bernie's chances? I aint got the time or energy to hate on Hillary, it is what it is..

She got SC coming up too though

From what I read, I could be wrong but it looks like Hillary is gonna own March.

 

[ThaRealness]

From what I read, I could be wrong but it looks like Hillary is gonna own March.

Dont underestimate Bernie's momentum though..

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Oh stop being dense. An accounting major and basket weaving are not jobs in the labor force that have the same cost-benefit attached to them. An accounting major has opportunity over their life time to put the same or even more that they put back into the system than a basket weaver which is a low skilled job which is in no way going to lead to a high life time earnings. One is helping to refund the system that they is paying into and one is going to never repay the debt. I'm also not dense enough to believe that this is going to be a 1 to 1 situation. There will be those who may not have the expected outcome. Its about likelihood.

I don't use the word pragmatic personally as a "buzzword" as its an actual virtue I admire. I admired Obama's pragmatism and his level-headness on issues. I view Hillary as being more levelheaded and less married to her IDEALS than Bernie. Idealism is nice but it becomes a hindrance if you're not willing to put them aside or adjust them to get at least 90% of what you want.

Finally to answer your most desired question. I'm not naive to believe that republicans are going to rubber-stamp everything Hillary puts in front of them. I believe they are more likely to rubberstamp polices put in front of them by a more moderate democrat than a self-professed democratic socialist. Lets take the issue of college since I've mentioned this. Hillary has advocated free community college but increasing pell grants for universities while also working to encourage colleges to minimize tuition costs. Community college is practically free with the current grant program so while I'm not 100% behind making it free across the board, its less of a economic cost compared to full funding 4 year degrees. Bernie believes everyone should be able to get into all secondary education for free while hillary does not . Free college and increasing pell grant funding range from radical to less radical respectively. The first one is highly unlikely to ever pass while the second one...maybe.

Finally, I'll use the word pragmatic again. Lets say Hillary for example gets roadblocked on the above issues or Bernie gets roadblocked on his respective issue. Who is more likely to make adjustments to their plans to at least get something at least or who would more than likely engage in a everlasting stalemate with the congress because they didn't get EXACTLY what they want? I think Bernie is the latter and Hillary is the former.

By the way, I consider myself liberal but not an absolutely far left individual. More moderate. Bernie doesn't appeal to me that much as a result.

Agreed 1,000%