That the game where they miss 27 3 pointers in a row?The only real Finals where he was the best player people universally agree it was one of the most atrociously reffed Finals (in his favor) of all time.
Harden being up 3-2 on the Durant Warriors until CP3 gets injured and still only losing game 7 because of another all time bad ref job was more impressive to me.
Y'all can be impressed by shiny rings that another man got for you like a female if you want tho
“Made Embiid an MVP.”Ain't no way you just tried to sneak that in there
Harden JUST got done making Embiid an MVP off their pick and roll action too.
I think you’re right in alot of aspects. But, I think Hardens game didn’t translate as well in the post season as Wades game. When you play a defense 4 times in 2 weeks, they stop falling for the pump fakes and pantomimes by game 4-5. Eventually you’ll have to get comfortable playing off ball, and moving without the ball in limited halfcourt space. Which is why prime Wades offensive output didn’t dip much when he made it to the post season compare to Harden.
Maybe 40% at best of what you typed is true. Because Wade was such a better scoring threat at the rim than harden, Wade was better at drawing defenders in, and finding open players at the rim in passing situations. Harden is one of the greatest passing 2-guards in NBA history, but wade being a supperoir intra-perimeter scoring threat, opened things up for any role-player who had a modicum of rim running skills. IE: post -prime Shaq, Old Jermaine O’Neal, Hassan Whiteside.
Soooo, you’re gonna sit here with a straight face and say Embiid wasn’t a generational big man before harden got there?You mad that Wade was limited to his athleticism. He didn't have the vision or ability to read the floor as well as Harden.
Wade without athleticism was a non factor. Harden with waning athleticism led the league in assists last year and helped make Embiid MVP.
Your pick and roll scoring point is also just an eye test and nostalgia delusion.
NBA has p & r tracking stats starting from the 2015/2016 season.
That season started when Wade was 33.
On 7.4 possessions per game as a p & r ball handler, he scored 0.85 points per possession on 44.1 FG% (44.2 EFG%).
When last season started Harden was 33.
On 6.2 possessions per game as a p & r ball handler, he scored 0.90 points per possession on 42.1 FG% (50.0 EFG%).
Here's some rocks for you to kick:
Sooooo, playing with a generational big in Embiid has absolutely nothing to do with hardens inflated counting offensive stats at this age?You mad that Wade was limited to his athleticism. He didn't have the vision or ability to read the floor as well as Harden.
Wade without athleticism was a non factor. Harden with waning athleticism led the league in assists last year and helped make Embiid MVP.
Your pick and roll scoring point is also just an eye test and nostalgia delusion.
NBA has p & r tracking stats starting from the 2015/2016 season.
That season started when Wade was 33.
On 7.4 possessions per game as a p & r ball handler, he scored 0.85 points per possession on 44.1 FG% (44.2 EFG%).
When last season started Harden was 33.
On 6.2 possessions per game as a p & r ball handler, he scored 0.90 points per possession on 42.1 FG% (50.0 EFG%).
Here's some rocks for you to kick:
This nikka straight posting lies smh. In 07, Wade was averaging 29ppg and was on his way to MVP before he separated his shoulder. In 08, Shaq was gone and he had one of the worse teams in NBA history, why, CAUSE PAT RILEY PURPOSELY DIDNT IMPROVE THE ROSTER TO SAVE MONEY FOR LEBRON. At this point, Wade was still averaging 26/6/5 on 47%, but the team was trash abd he sat out the last 20 something ganes of the year. Then came the Olympics, WHERE WASE WAS THE BEST POAYER ON THE TEAM, then the 08 season WHERE WADE LED THE KEAGUE IN SCORING, WITH NO SHOOTERS OR BIGS FOR 2 SEASONS. ONCE AGAIN, RILEY INTENTIONALLY DISNT SPEND FREE AGENCY MONEY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO GET BRON IN 10.
Didn’t him and lma go back and forth in the playoffs, I think Dwight had 40, lma had 50What’s ever funnier is, statistically speaking you could argue Dwight on those 2013-2015 rockets, was just as good as the Shaq that Miami had from 2006-2008. Shaq started to decline after that initial 2004-2005 Heat season. His declination went into hyperdrive during that 2006 post season. And you can certainly argue that Embiid is better than any version of Shaq that Wade played with.
KD times 2. Westbrook times 2. CP3. Kyrie Irving, Joel Embiid, Dwight Howard, and only 1 finals appearance in a bench role no less. His one finals appearance was in an ultimate coat riding position. And even when he did get to the finals, he was the only one of that OKC youngbuck trio who shyt the bed against Miami. We’ve seen harden lose as a bench player. We’ve seen harden fail as the number one option. And recently, in Philly, we’ve seen harden fail as a starting number 2 option. SG Harden, PG harden, doesn’t matter. Eastern conference/Western conference, doesn’t matter. Harden playing next to an all star big in an eastern conference that was even more wide open than in Wades day when it was Detroit or Boston dominating the conference. Doesn’t matter. Playing with hall of fame forwards, point guards and centers, doesn’t matter. His potential longevity might not do him any favors, as he gets to play with more rosters that match his skillset and may still fail. Wade due to his health had a shorter prime, but made the most of his prime and made the most of his runs, whenever he had good teammates surrounding him. Wade at a similar age to Harden, made it to the semi finals and pushed Toronto to 7. Although that was a solid Heat team in 2016 with Dragic, that Heat team didn’t have a single first ballot home run HoF player outside of Wade. Whereas Harden had Embiid this very year.
I believe so. Dwight was still a top end center in Houston. He averaged 26/13 and 2 blocks in the 2014 post season. Shaq at no time during his Heat tenure as he putting up those numbers in the post season. Funnily enough, both CP3 and Dwight both got to finals without Harden. When they were other squads. Before and after harden.
