Never compare Harden to D Wade ever again

[Biscayne]

What’s ever funnier is, statistically speaking you could argue Dwight on those 2013-2015 rockets, was just as good as the Shaq that Miami had from 2006-2008. Shaq started to decline after that initial 2004-2005 Heat season. His declination went into hyperdrive during that 2006 post season. And you can certainly argue that Embiid is better than any version of Shaq that Wade played with.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

fukk Transexual Wade.




Harden is a bytch ass nikka but he's no fakkit.

 

[Shadow King]

Let me know you don't realize they actually track assists so that they can be measured and compared breh

Harden scores and assists 2.7 points and 1.6 assists more per game for his career while Wade only averages 0.3 blocks more per game, the thing he's most praised for as a sign of him being a "two way" player. They average the same amount of steals too.

All Wade's other two-wayness is just unsubstantiated reputation fed by the so called "eye test". He lucky Shaq and Bron liked sunshine basically.

1) You said "Wade didn't have to worry about playmaking for your whole team". Again, let me know you didn't watch the 00s Heat, regardless of Pringles-inflated assists.

2) There's zero credibility in arguing Wade's defense in a discussion with Harden.

Zero.

 

[inndaskKy]

1) You said "Wade didn't have to worry about playmaking for your whole team". Again, let me know you didn't watch the 00s Heat, regardless of Pringles-inflated assists.

2) There's zero credibility in arguing Wade's defense in a discussion with Harden.

Zero.

"Pringles-inflated" when he just led the league in assists this year under Doc Rivers non coaching ass

Meanwhile you acting like Harden played no defense when he averaged more blocks than Wade's career average in the season that Harden averaged 34.3 points. That 34.3 ppg season by the way he averaged the same number of FGAs as Wade did during his career high scoring season and he outscored Wade by 4 points per game. Go figure. And that wasn't even Beard's best scoring season.

There's levels to this. Wade had a nice run but low key I thought he was closer to Harden's level before this thread was made. Wade benefits from (former) likability. When you really look into the numbers, sh*t's not even close really. Wade living off of that nostalgia people have for the good ol' days of their youth.

I guess technically I agree with the thread title but not for the delusional reason Wade stans believe

Talking 'bout he a scorer and playmaker on Harden's level

Stick to ESPN highlight blocks

 

[Shadow King]

"Pringles-inflated" when he just led the league in assists this year under Doc Rivers non coaching ass

Meanwhile you acting like Harden played no defense when he averaged more blocks than Wade's career average in the season that Harden averaged 34.3 points. That 34.3 ppg season by the way he averaged the same number of FGAs as Wade did during his career high scoring season and he outscored Wade by 4 points per game. Go figure. And that wasn't even Beard's best scoring season.

There's levels to this. Wade had a nice run but low key I thought he was closer to Harden's level before this thread was made. Wade benefits from (former) likability. When you really look into the numbers, sh*t's not even close really. Wade living off of that nostalgia people have for the good ol' days of their youth.

I guess technically I agree with the thread title but not for the delusional reason Wade stans believe

Talking 'bout he a scorer and playmaker on Harden's level

Stick to ESPN highlight blocks

You're using career stats, so yes I'm going to bring up Pringles.

Why are you using blocks to talk about perimeter defenders? One man was drafted as a shutdown PG and has 3 All-Defenses to his name. We know who that is. And no, Harden didn't play defense.

Again, there's zero credibility in arguing Wade's defense in a discussion about Harden.

Zero.

 

[inndaskKy]

Again, there's zero credibility in arguing Wade's defense in a discussion about Harden.

Zero.

And like I said, the reason Wade got to focus more on that end was because he obviously didn't put the same level of work in on the scoring and playmaking ends. Point still stands.

 

[Shadow King]

And like I said, the reason Wade got to focus more on that end was because he obviously didn't put the same level of work in on the scoring and playmaking ends. Point still stands.

No, it does not, because Harden was garbage on defense when he played in OKC with 2 prime HOFers and 2 defensive bigs. Meanwhile 2 of Wade's 3 All-D selections came when he was carrying the Heat solo, one of those years being his scoring title and career high assist year

You said Wade didn't have to playmake for his team. Lacking credibility.

You're questioning Wade's defense in a discussion about Harden. Zero credibility.

If you want to keep going with this, I'll repeat this until you make the concession, stop replying, or the thread gets locked.

Your argument has no credibility.

 

[Biscayne]

"Pringles-inflated" when he just led the league in assists this year under Doc Rivers non coaching ass

Meanwhile you acting like Harden played no defense when he averaged more blocks than Wade's career average in the season that Harden averaged 34.3 points. That 34.3 ppg season by the way he averaged the same number of FGAs as Wade did during his career high scoring season and he outscored Wade by 4 points per game. Go figure. And that wasn't even Beard's best scoring season.

There's levels to this. Wade had a nice run but low key I thought he was closer to Harden's level before this thread was made. Wade benefits from (former) likability. When you really look into the numbers, sh*t's not even close really. Wade living off of that nostalgia people have for the good ol' days of their youth.

I guess technically I agree with the thread title but not for the delusional reason Wade stans believe

Talking 'bout he a scorer and playmaker on Harden's level

Stick to ESPN highlight blocks

Bruh, you said wade had luxury of being an all-nba defender because he never had to carry an offense. When 2 of 3 of his all-nba defensive selections came during the seasons where the 2nd best player on those teams was either a rookie Mario Chalmers or a rookie Michael Beasley.

Wade carried that 2009 Heat team to 45+ wins, while leading the NBA in scoring and while being selected to an all-defensive 2nd team. Again, his best players was Chalmers or beasley.

Again, this was when Shaq was on Cleveland with LeBron at this time. Which makes it even more ironic that you think that wade never had to carry an offense because he played with Shaq and LeBron.

Wade was an all-NBA defender while having the best offensive impact in the league, in the same year.

 

[Biscayne]

And like I said, the reason Wade got to focus more on that end was because he obviously didn't put the same level of work in on the scoring and playmaking ends. Point still stands.

He never had to put in the same work as Harden on the offensive end? How is that so when he was leading the league in scoring and averaging damn near 8 assist a game?

Your point literally wrong. You’re trying to retcon Wade into being this “ok” offensive 2-guard who only had to be a specialist, when in reality he was miamis best scorer and leading offensive weapon for multiple seasons. He wasn’t just some one demenskonal rim runners, who’s only job it was to scorer. You’re misremembering Wade like he was Rip Hamilton or something.

On any given night he had to lead Miami in scoring and assists while carrying the defense. He was putting up 40pt and 50pt double-doubles and tripled doubles in the pre-freedom of movement era NBA. While still being an all-NBA level defender.

 

[Biscayne]

No, it does not, because Harden was garbage on defense when he played in OKC with 2 prime HOFers and 2 defensive bigs. Meanwhile 2 of Wade's 3 All-D selections came when he was carrying the Heat solo, one of those years being his scoring title and career high assist year

You said Wade didn't have to playmake for his team. Lacking credibility.

You're questioning Wade's defense in a discussion about Harden. Zero credibility.

If you want to keep going with this, I'll repeat this until you make the concession, stop replying, or the thread gets locked.

Your argument has no credibility.

Bruh thinks Dwyane Wade was Rip Hamilton in his prime.

 

[Biscayne]

Dude thinks Dwyane Wade was Tony Allen.

“Wade only had to focus on Defense!!!”



This is why I don’t take wade critiques seriously. Because most of it coming from forgotten history and misremembering and a whole lotta retconning.

At least most Bron detractors can admit he’s top 10. They just don’t think he’s on MJs level(I disagree of course). At least Kobe detractors can acknowledge he’s top 12-10 all time, they just don’t think he’s on MJ and Brons level. Wade detractors think dude was a Reggie Miller(great player) at best and Tony Allen at worst.

 

[inndaskKy]

Bruh thinks Dwyane Wade was Rip Hamilton in his prime.

D Wade was just Rip Hamilton with some highlight blocks

It does have a ring to it.


But anyway, y'all just wanna act like Wade's difference in defense is not off-set by Harden's difference in playmaking and scoring.

Y'all do you.

By the way I wasn't even considering the roster strength and win totals. Y'all don't even wanna go there. Harden been carrying bums to the playoffs all his career. Even some of the rosters with stars on it struggled before he got there/without him (the KD/Kyrie Nets for example).

I see your Mario Chalmers/Michael Beasley 45+ wins and I raise you Chandler Parsons/Jeremy Lin 45+ wins and Trevor Ariza/Donatas Motiejunas 56+ wins with a hobbled Dwight for a half season.

And that's under another bum ass coach in Kevin McHale whereas Wade had one of the best coaches of all time.

I'll tell y'all what. If y'all humbly apologize about slandering the better player of the two then I'll stop exposing how relatively overrated D Wade was.

 

[Biscayne]

D Wade was just Rip Hamilton with some highlight blocks

It does have a ring to it.


But anyway, y'all just wanna act like Wade's difference in defense is not off-set by Harden's difference in playmaking and scoring.

Y'all do you.

By the way I wasn't even considering the roster strength and win totals. Y'all don't even wanna go there. Harden been carrying bums to the playoffs all his career. Even some of the rosters with stars on it struggled before he got there/without him (the KD/Kyrie Nets for example).

I see your Mario Chalmers/Michael Beasley 45+ wins and I raise you Chandler Parsons/Jeremy Lin 45+ wins and Trevor Ariza/Donatas Motiejunas 56+ wins with a hobbled Dwight for a half season.

And that's under another bum ass coach in Kevin McHale whereas Wade had one of the best coaches of all time.

I'll tell y'all what. If y'all humbly apologize about slandering the better player of the two then I'll stop exposing how relatively overrated D Wade was.

I’ll take Ariza, Parsons, and often inured Dwight Howard over past his prime Jermaine O’Neal, Jamario Moon and Mario Chalmers. Funny you brought up Dwight’s injury history on those rockets teams. When Wade in his 3rd season was leading Miami to 50+ wins when Shaq was going through his regular season on-and-off injury struggles. Ppl often bring up Wade benefitting from playing alongside Shaq, but forget he missed a lot of regular season games in 2005-2006. He wasn’t the same player he was in 2006 that he was in 2005. And Spo in 2008-2009 hadn’t became the same spo he is now. He was a rookie coach when Wade was in his prime.

But even then, some of hardens best years coincided with a DAntoni offense and playing with a serviceable Howard, CP3, and two iterations of Westbrook(OKC and Houston.), two iterations of KD(OKC and Brooklyn) Kyrie Irving. And then at the tale end of his prime, Harden gets to play with another a generational big in Joel Embiid. Wade may have played with two all time greats in bron and Shaq, but harden for a longer more consistent period had better supporting casts than wade. If wade wasn’t playing with Shaq or Bron, he was playing with Hassan Whiteside.

 

[TAYLONDO SAMSWORTHY]

He constantly gets exposed when the games matter. This frontrunning bytch ass nikka will never win a ring

fukkin fraud



Edit: May 14th 2023

Comparing Harden to DWade is the purest form of blasphemy

 

[murksiderock]

This deranged bron groupie just wont give it up

I laughed at this. So Jeff Teague is a deranged Bron groupie, too?