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in 2008, about half of Democratic voters in the primaries identified as liberal, though the proportion varied significantly from state to state. The share has probably increased to some degree now, as a variety of measures suggest that Democratic voters have become more liberal. Still, Democratic voters perceive Clinton to be slightly closer to them on the issues than Sanders, on average. So it’s a little bit surprising to me that Sanders is calling Clinton out for being a moderate when lots of Democratic voters are moderate, too, and Sanders needs to gain headway with that group.

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In differentiating herself from Sanders, Clinton just said: “I also believe in affordable college, but I don’t believe in free college because every expert that I have talked to says, ‘Look, how will you ever control the costs?’” Community college presidents agree: In a survey last year, just 39 percent of community college presidents said they believed their state legislature was likely to support a free community college plan, even with federal support.
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“The reality is that we have one of lowest voter turnouts of any major country on Earth,” Sanders said. He’s right that U.S. voter turnout is remarkably low compared to other developed nations. According to a Pew Research Center report last year, just three of the other 33 members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development had lower turnout rates in their last national elections.

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U.S. turnout in 2012 was 53.6%, based on 129.1 million votes cast for president and an estimated voting-age population of just under 241 million people. Among OECD countries, the highest turnout rates were in Belgium (87.2%), Turkey (86.4%) and Sweden (82.6%). Switzerland consistently has the lowest turnout, with just 40% of the voting-age population casting ballots in the 2011 federal legislative elections, the most recent.

However, Belgium and Turkey are among the 28 nations around the world (and six in the OECD) where voting is compulsory, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. (One canton in Switzerland, also an OECD member nation, has compulsory voting.) While compulsory-voting laws aren’t always strictly enforced, their presence or absence can have dramatic impacts on turnout: Of the five highest-turnout OECD countries in recent elections, three have laws requiring their citizens to go to the polls and cast ballots. Conversely, turnout plunged in Chile after it moved from compulsory to voluntary voting in 2012 (and began automatically enrolling eligible citizens): from 87% of registered voters in the 2010 presidential election to 42% in 2013, even as the voter rolls swelled by 64%.

Chile’s situation points to yet another complicating factor: the distinction between who’s eligible to vote and who’s actually registered. In most countries, the government takes the lead in getting people’s names on the rolls – whether by registering them automatically once they become eligible (as in, for example, Sweden or Germany) or by aggressively seeking out and registering eligible voters (as in the U.K. and Australia). As a result, turnout looks pretty similar regardless of whether you’re looking at voting-age population or registered voters.

In the U.S., by contrast, registration is mainly an individual responsibility. And registered voters represent a much smaller share of potential voters in the U.S. than just about any other OECD country: Only about 65% of the U.S. voting-age population (and 71% of the voting-age citizenry) is registered, according to the Census Bureau, compared with 96% in Sweden and 93% in the U.K.

As a consequence, turnout comparisons based only on registered voters may not be very meaningful. For instance, U.S. turnout in 2012 was 84.3% of registered voters, a relatively lofty seventh among OECD countries. But registered voters here are a much more self-selected group, already more likely to vote because they took the trouble to register themselves.

There are even more ways to calculate turnout. Michael McDonald, a political scientist at the University of Florida who runs the United States Election Project, estimates turnout as a share of the “voting-eligible population” (or VEP) by subtracting non-citizens and ineligible felons from the voting-age population, and adding eligible overseas voters. Using those calculations, U.S. turnout improves somewhat, to 58% of the 2012 voting-eligible population. However, comparable estimates aren’t available for other countries.

However measured, U.S. turnout rates have been fairly consistent over the past several decades, despite some election-to-election variation. Since 1980, voting-age turnout has varied within a 9-percentage-point range – from 48% in 1996, when Bill Clinton was re-elected, to 57% in 2008, when Barack Obama won the White House. (Turnout, of course, varies considerably among different racial, ethnic and age groups.)

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So a well to do Black man like Ben Carson,who's IQ is leaps and bounds above yours, doesn't agree with your ideology, and that automatically makes him a c00n? Because you say so right? Got it champ :mjlol: Sucka ass nicca


Carson said Obamacare was slavery

I never call people c00ns but show me a statement made by anyone more c00nish than that one

Who cares about his IQ when it comes to medicine, this is politics where we have the same information and experience in the field as he does
 

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thats what i said in the townhall debate. shes robotic as hell, scripted as shyt, etc but i think when the cameras are off her she can get things done and shes been through the gauntlet enough to know how to do it and taken her Ls along the way to know what to avoid when it comes to foreign policy
Here's my thing, you can say that about literally any establishment Democrat. Biden, Kerry, etc. Any Democrat that has been in the Congress for a decade or more. You're essentially saying you think an establishment Democrat can better work with establishment Republicans and Democrats. Do you see how that does not motivate people who saw those same establishment Democrats run away from the idea of a bigger stimulus and a public option?

Foreign policy is an ideology, Hillary Clinton is a war hawk. So unless you are a war hawk and believe in an interventionist foreign policy, I don't know what about Hillary makes you comfortable. @ThreeLetterAgency the TPP did not have to be the way it was. Private corporations are given too much power to circumvent state law in all of these agreements. However, I am not foolish enough to believe that we should let China dictate that area.
 

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thats what i said in the townhall debate. shes robotic as hell, scripted as shyt, etc but i think when the cameras are off her she can get things done and shes been through the gauntlet enough to know how to do it and taken her Ls along the way to know what to avoid when it comes to foreign policy
Here's my thing, you can say that about literally any establishment Democrat. Biden, Kerry, etc. Any Democrat that has been in the Congress for a decade or more. You're essentially saying you think an establishment Democrat can better work with establishment Republicans and Democrats. Do you see how that does not motivate people who saw those same establishment Democrats run away from the idea of a bigger stimulus and a public option?

Foreign policy is an ideology, Hillary Clinton is a war hawk. So unless you are a war hawk and believe in an interventionist foreign policy, I don't know what about Hillary makes you comfortable. @ThreeLetterAgency the TPP did not have to be the way it was. Private corporations are given too much power to circumvent state law in all of these agreements. However, I am not foolish enough to believe that we should let China dictate that area.
 

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Your head is WAY too far up your ass :heh:

The military thinks Obama, especially when it comes to intelligence and thwarting Russia/China, he's been too hesitant to make real moves until very recently.

They've alluded to the fact that we've wasted time trying to be "nice" about shyt.

by military i meant rank and file soldiers and vets out of service..the current soldiers look up to vets for wisdom and if they co-sign and trust bernie then that is what matters most at the polls. its not like i meant there would be a military coup for bernie if hillary won. i even said outright hillary has the intelligence community. dumbass
 

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Carson said Obamacare was slavery

I never call people c00ns but show me a statement made by anyone more c00nish than that one

Who cares about his IQ when it comes to medicine, this is politics where we have the same information and experience in the field as he does
One of the saddest things of this campaign is watching Carson destroy his legacy.
 

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I wasn't talking about you with the leftist swipes. I know you're to the center. I'm politically closer to Sanders because of foreign policy (damn near pacifist like). It's not like I think Hillary is the antichrist, I have friends working for her campaign and I will undoubtedly have friends that are working in a HRC administration at some sort of level, or in the Congress working with her. I think she'll be a competent President that gets things done, but will ultimately frustrate progressives. I think black people will probably let go of the Democratic Party even more because she will push their issues to the back.

Side note: BTW, Sanders' idea that a justice will just come in and overturn citizens united is ridiculous. It will take years for a case like that to come up, and no conservative justice will retire with him at the top.

I'm most intrigued by the SC appointments to be made in the next 10 years..If Bernie makes it to a second term then there's a solid shot..one Sanders term won't do it. The upcoming president may be the most important president for the next 25-30 years barring an anomalous series of events
 

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I'm most intrigued by the SC appointments to be made in the next 10 years..If Bernie makes it to a second term then there's a solid shot..one Sanders term won't do it. The upcoming president may be the most important president for the next 25-30 years barring an anomalous series of events
True story. But you know bad people live the longest for some reason. Ol' boy in Zimbabwe still going. Scalia is about to outlive us all.
 
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