New requirements for your citizenship not to be revoked

[Dr. Acula]

This story just dropped. They plan on allowing ICE to determine nationality based on biometrics from an app called mobile fortify. A notice form DHS stated this will supersede other forms of citizenship like a birth certificate.

You cant refuse to be entered into this database whether you’re a citizen or not and they will keep your biometric data for 15 years.

Wake up as far as what they are planning.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

It is already concentrated in the hands of a few individuals. That is what an Oligarchy is. Here, read this Princeton study.



Also, this:



And this:



Also, notice the dates on those.

Sure, you're right that, in many ways, we live under an oligarchy. But you're wrong to think that things can't get worse, especially with a shift from oligarchy to autocracy. There's a difference between wealthy elites having influence and one man actively rewriting the rules so that laws, courts, and agencies only serve him and punish his enemies. Under that system, we move on from concentration of wealth to concentration of legitimacy and power.

The fact that we've already been living under an oligarchy should make it more urgent, not less, to stop it from becoming full-blown authoritarianism. You said it yourself, "Black Americans are always first," so you already know what happens when that power stops answering to anyone but itself.

 

[David_TheMan]

For the record you're linking right wing think tank bullshyt right now. Including a legal argument from John Easton, who is currently disbarred due to his disgraceful involvement in Trump's attempted 2020 coup.

His mother was not eligible to become an American citizen and never naturalized. Furthermore the SC ruling makes it pretty clear the case was about birthright citizenship:

"The Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."

LOL, the article is from the Heritage Foundation.
The article was written by Hans Anatol von Spakovsky , and I think you meant to say John Eastman was cited.
Neither of the attack on messageners matter because it doesn't effect the argument provided.

The 14th amendment was not made to affirm anything, except that black americans would become citizens.
Thats literally what the writer of the 14th amendment created it for, so it would overturn Dredd Scott.

 

[Dr. Acula]

This story just dropped. They plan on allowing ICE to determine nationality based on biometrics from an app called mobile fortify. A notice form DHS stated this will supersede other forms of citizenship like a birth certificate.

You cant refuse to be entered into this database whether you’re a citizen or not and they will keep your biometric data for 15 years.

Wake up as far as what they are planning.

Here they are already scanning people into this database without warrants. Some are us citizens

 

[Dr. Acula]

Citizenship Clause - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So

These folks don’t give a fukk about the constitution. Yall going to learn that laws don’t mean anything without enforcement. They are only words written on paper. The 13th and 14th was enacted after slavery but it took 100 years before the federal government enforced it. Jim Crow was unconstitutional and an authoritarian fascist system black people were forced to live other despite laws on the books and the constitution granting them certain rights.

Once the federal government starts ignoring laws (they have outright lied and ignored court orders so too late) then laws don’t mean anything.

Remember Russell Vought one of the authors of P2025 and now part of the federal government stated we are entering a “post constitutional era.” The constitution don’t mean shyt to them.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Trump supporters sure do stay motivated to come in and defend their mans I almost respect the dedication

nikka MAKES A THREAD THAT SAYS:
"New requirements for your citizenship not to be revoked"

COMMON SENSE COMES IN AND SAYS
HEY THIS DOESNT APPLY TO US....

SHILL SAYS: Trump supporters sure do stay motivated to come in and defend their mans


​

I have to play the Democratic Shill theme song, these clowns will shill for anything:

 

[David_TheMan]

Here they are already scanning people into this database without warrants. Some are us citizens

Now those people have standing to file a federal lawsuit.
I hope they do so
This would be how you derail Trump and get him out of there.

If only people gave a damn, DNC, bout the law. Trump is commiting an illegal war on Venezuela that the US Congress has not authorized. That is grounds for impeachment.

 

[David_TheMan]

For the record you're linking right wing think tank bullshyt right now. Including a legal argument from John Easton, who is currently disbarred due to his disgraceful involvement in Trump's attempted 2020 coup.

His mother was not eligible to become an American citizen and never naturalized. Furthermore the SC ruling makes it pretty clear the case was about birthright citizenship:

"The Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."

For the record, I went and pulled up the case and looked at the author's argument and you are correct that he was lying his ass off with regard to the actual majority opinion of the US vs Wu Kim case. I was wrong on the formal start of birthright citizenship, even though I disagree with the rational.

I feel its important to admit that.

 

[Black Hans]

 

[Turk]

This video is misleading. A naturalized citizen can only be denaturalized under very specific circumstances that meet a high burden of proof and those circumstances have to have taken place within a specific period of time. The internal memo really didn't change much from my understanding of it, it's just giving the govt a longer list of reasons to pursue you if you lied during your naturalization process. Basically its like this. No, you won't get deported simply for being a naturalized citizen who is a gang member but yes you may be denaturalized if the govt finds out that you were a gang member when you applied for your citizenship

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

They sending us back to Angola

 

[bnew]

It doesn't matter whether someone is naturalized or born here -- they're still a US citizen. The Constitution protects ALL citizens from being stripped of citizenship or expelled for criminal activity.

these fools don't know the constitution is a restriction on the government, it doesn't matter who you are or where you're from when dealing with the u.s government they have to follow the constitution meaning the government shouldn't be violating an individuals first amendment in america or anywhere else etc.

 

[Uachet]

Sure, you're right that, in many ways, we live under an oligarchy. But you're wrong to think that things can't get worse, especially with a shift from oligarchy to autocracy. There's a difference between wealthy elites having influence and one man actively rewriting the rules so that laws, courts, and agencies only serve him and punish his enemies. Under that system, we move on from concentration of wealth to concentration of legitimacy and power.

The fact that we've already been living under an oligarchy should make it more urgent, not less, to stop it from becoming full-blown authoritarianism. You said it yourself, "Black Americans are always first," so you already know what happens when that power stops answering to anyone but itself.

I did not say things can't get worse. In fact, I know they will get worse before they ever get better. Many people need to experience worse, experience the pain Black Americans have been talking about, before they actually realize what is going on is untenable.

Drawing in more people through illegal immigration does not fix the problem, because the majority of them are coming from nations that also have a very poor history of how they treat their own Black people. So thinking aiding them will help this is not the path we should be taking, in my opinion. Instead, we should be working on building our own economic and political base, focused mainly on our own ethnicity, to help us weather these times.

We could create and fully fund PACs that focus on Black American issues, so that we can buy politicians too. We should realize that other ethnicities are only concerned with their own well-being, and follow suit instead of remaining the mules for everyone else's issues. It is about time that our issues are our primary concern, and let other groups continue to do what they have been doing, focusing on their own issues.

The above is my position on this issue, and that is why I made it clear that my concern about the economic and political circumstances of other ethnicities here is the same as their concern for us has been on those issues. Looking back on what they have done, how little they have actually aided us, I feel we should keep the same energy as they suffer just a little bit of what my ethnicity has been suffering even after Slavery and Jim Crow ended.

Maybe, just maybe they will finally understand and seek to genuinely work with us, instead of only seeking us out when they need us to support them.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I did not say things can't get worse. In fact, I know they will get worse before they ever get better. Many people need to experience worse, experience the pain Black Americans have been talking about, before they actually realize what is going on is untenable.

Drawing in more people through illegal immigration does not fix the problem, because the majority of them are coming from nations that also have a very poor history of how they treat their own Black people. So thinking aiding them will help this is not the path we should be taking, in my opinion. Instead, we should be working on building our own economic and political base, focused mainly on our own ethnicity, to help us weather these times.

We could create and fully fund PACs that focus on Black American issues, so that we can buy politicians too. We should realize that other ethnicities are only concerned with their own well-being, and follow suit instead of remaining the mules for everyone else's issues. It is about time that our issues are our primary concern, and let other groups continue to do what they have been doing, focusing on their own issues.

The above is my position on this issue, and that is why I made it clear that my concern about the economic and political circumstances of other ethnicities here is the same as their concern for us has been on those issues. Looking back on what they have done, how little they have actually aided us, I feel we should keep the same energy as they suffer just a little bit of what my ethnicity has been suffering even after Slavery and Jim Crow ended.

Maybe, just maybe they will finally understand and seek to genuinely work with us, instead of only seeking us out when they need us to support them.

You're arguing against something I'm not saying. Again, I'm not asking you to help or feel for anyone else. That's not what I said. My point is about how power works and how it gets weaponized.

Are you asking why you should be against power being concentrated in the hands of a few individuals? Because that's what this is really about. I get where the resentment comes from, and honestly, a lot of us feel it too. But letting that resentment turn into indifference is exactly how authoritarianism wins. You don't have to be sympathetic to anyone on their terms to recognize the danger in unchecked power. You don't have to feel for others if you don't want to, but you should at least understand how these thing work.

Sure, you're right that, in many ways, we live under an oligarchy. But you're wrong to think that things can't get worse, especially with a shift from oligarchy to autocracy. There's a difference between wealthy elites having influence and one man actively rewriting the rules so that laws, courts, and agencies only serve him and punish his enemies. Under that system, we move on from concentration of wealth to concentration of legitimacy and power.

The fact that we've already been living under an oligarchy should make it more urgent, not less, to stop it from becoming full-blown authoritarianism. You said it yourself, "Black Americans are always first," so you already know what happens when that power stops answering to anyone but itself.

 

[Goat poster]

Not exactly. Try running for president.

But i do agree in general that other than a pesidential role, the rights are equal. This sets a horrible precedent for the 14th amendment if he is allowed to start slicing up the rights of citizens.

I think the only thing that could be valid on that list is just lying about info prior to naturalization. I think the critical issue here is that he is banking on people not having enough money to have a real legal defense, because this would very easily be thrown out in court. You would be down something like 20 to 50K and several months in detention before they ruled it unconstitutional. And worse, this is technically a civil issue so you aren't automatically granted a defender.



It's actually a violation of several american lead UN conventions and a clear violation of blatant and explicit 14th amendment language.

It create stateless people, which is one of the worst conditions a person can be in.

Even with the Presidency it's kind of flimsy:

• George Romney was born in Mexico to U.S. citizen parents.
• John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. citizen parents.
• Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father who was a U.S. permanent resident at the time. Legal experts generally agreed he was a "natural born citizen" by legal precedent, and he formally renounced his Canadian citizenship before running in 2016.

It's tricky, because if these weren't white men none of their candidates would have been accepted as they weren't born in the US.