NFL Scout: "Johnny Manziel will be better than Russell Wilson"

[lutha]

if im not mistaken...Russ wanted to play baseball, and Tom OBrien said he didnt want him playing baseball. Subsequently told him he'd rather play Glennon

Russ then transfers to Wisky

you're right, but that still doesn't have anything to do with his skills as a qb

 

[godkiller]

Its quarterbacks with WAY more talent around them than Russell Wilson. Aint his job to score. Yeah they Defense is A1 but so is Carolina's Cam lost more than 1 game right? Lets talk about they offense. Golden Tate. Zach Miller. Marshawn Lynch. don't even say shyt about Percy Harvin cause he just played in week 11.

matter of fact I'll go off the dome. of QB's surrounded with more talent.

Tony Romo
Matt Schuab
Peyton Manning
Jay Cutler
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Carson Palmer
Nick Foles
Brandon Wheeden
Matthew Stafford
Andy Dalton
Eli Manning

that got to be like 12 or 13 teams off the wop.

I disagree. Wilson has more than enough weapons. He plays in a run first defence with a productive RB in Lynch so he isn't forced into making too many throws. Golden Tate is a yard after catch slot specialist who can also be shifted outside. Zach gives him good hands, size and decent mobility. Percy Harvin is a game breaker. Sydney Rice is a more reliable less explosive option. Seattle also carries vertical WR options which Wilson occasionally uses. This is all without talking about Seattle's defence.

 

[MMS]

you're right, but that still doesn't have anything to do with his skills as a qb

he wasnt the game changer that Manziel was if his coach was ready to put Glennon in and not worry about it

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

I disagree. Wilson has more than enough weapons. He plays in a run first defence with a productive RB in Lynch so he isn't forced into making too many throws. Golden Tate is a yard after catch slot specialist who can also be shifted outside. Zach gives him good hands, size and decent mobility. Percy Harvin is a game breaker. Sydney Rice is a more reliable less explosive option. This is all without talking about Seattle's defence.

Percy Harvin just started his first game of the season. Sydney Rice was out for the year two weeks ago. Zach Miller ranks where among best Tight Ends in the League. Golden Tate is like 32nd in the NFL in receiving yards.

 

[lutha]

But the scout never compared their games he just said Johnny football would be better, nobody said they played alike he only mention them because of the height.

I think Russ was more a lot more pro ready than Johnny football coming out and he has a stronger arm. But idk about accuracy, Johnny football is pretty damn accurate so far, I agree on pocket awareness but I think Johnny football awareness period is better than Russ, he's just naturally great at a lot of shyt it's a reason his nick name is football

aight, I just re-read it to make sure I got this shyt correct:

he is comparing their games if he thinks johnny can do more/better than rus is doing now, right?...isn't he saying he's a better qbt?...I just disagree with that statement...

johnny is not that accurate...he is getting bailed out on a lot of his passes by a big wr...he's not pinpointing shyt....but whatever, we'll call that a wash...you think rus had a better arm and was more pro ready, but yet johnny is a better qb?...that makes no sense...the only edge I give him over rus is he's more athletic...

 

[lutha]

he wasnt the game changer that Manziel was if his coach was ready to put Glennon in and not worry about it

he was doing the shyt outta spite, not cause glennon was better...if glennon was better, O'Brien wouldn't have been fired...it just lets you know he wasn't that damn smart as a coach...

coach at wis thought he was a game changer, he gave him the starting job over a returning starter....

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

he was doing the shyt outta spite, not cause glennon was better...if glennon was better, O'Brien wouldn't have been fired...it just lets you know he wasn't that damn smart as a coach...

coach at wis thought he was a game changer, he gave him the starting job over a returning starter....

Dude was a hired gun. Didn't they only lose ONE game.

 

[South Paw]

U or I don't know that and we probably will never know. I do know that rg3 was outplaying him in the playoffs until he got hurt and would've put them out first round, with a lesser amount of talent on his team

Woulda, coulda, shoulda

 

[lutha]

Dude was a hired gun. Didn't they only lose ONE game.

yea he was, which shows he was a game changer...naw, they lost 2: once in the reg season and in the bowl game to oregon

 

[Kenny_Powers]

I disagree. Wilson has more than enough weapons. He plays in a run first defence with a productive RB in Lynch so he isn't forced into making too many throws. Golden Tate is a yard after catch slot specialist who can also be shifted outside. Zach gives him good hands, size and decent mobility. Percy Harvin is a game breaker. Sydney Rice is a more reliable less explosive option. Seattle also carries vertical WR options which Wilson occasionally uses. This is all without talking about Seattle's defence.

Percy has only played 1 game on limited snaps. Sidney has been inconsistent as fukk before his ACL injury, was more of a #3 getting paid like a #1. Tate is pretty inconsistent. Doug Baldwin has been our best WR by far, but he's a #3 in a lot of teams. Zach Miller has been more of a blocking TE than a receiving TE, and he's been injured for most of the time. Russ has a great RB by his side, and he's utilized perfectly. How does that take anything away from his game? Would you expect Brady to throw 40x a game if he had a Marshawn Lynch? Jay Cutler has Alshon Jeffrey and Brandon Marshall, two top 10 WRs, a good RB, good defense, and he sucks balls. Oh, and let's not forget that Russ has been playing behind the 30th ranked OL in the league.

 

[King Biko]

aight, I just re-read it to make sure I got this shyt correct:

he is comparing their games if he thinks johnny can do more/better than rus is doing now, right?...isn't he saying he's a better qbt?...I just disagree with that statement...

johnny is not that accurate...he is getting bailed out on a lot of his passes by a big wr...he's not pinpointing shyt....but whatever, we'll call that a wash...you think rus had a better arm and was more pro ready, but yet johnny is a better qb?...that makes no sense...the only edge I give him over rus is he's more athletic...

I meant comparing their games as in similarities, nothing else.

Johnny doesn't get bailed out by his wrs he has to throw catchable balls to them and they benefit from his playmaking just as much as he does and he's completing 73%

It's impossible for me to compare Russ right now to Johnny football of course Russ is a better qb but talking about potential coming out of school I'm going with manziel, u are talking about a contender to win back to back heismans. His potential is crazy

 

[King Biko]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda

U act like u didn't just try to hit me with woulda coulda shoulda first taking bout if he was on that team instead of him, we never gonna get 2 see that. But we seen rg3 giving the Seahawks major problems in the playoffs before he got hurt.

 

[King Biko]

Percy has only played 1 game on limited snaps. Sidney has been inconsistent as fukk before his ACL injury, was more of a #3 getting paid like a #1. Tate is pretty inconsistent. Doug Baldwin has been our best WR by far, but he's a #3 in a lot of teams. Zach Miller has been more of a blocking TE than a receiving TE, and he's been injured for most of the time. Russ has a great RB by his side, and he's utilized perfectly. How does that take anything away from his game? Would you expect Brady to throw 40x a game if he had a Marshawn Lynch? Jay Cutler has Alshon Jeffrey and Brandon Marshall, two top 10 WRs, a good RB, good defense, and he sucks balls. Oh, and let's not forget that Russ has been playing behind the 30th ranked OL in the league.

Do u not agree that Russ was put in a great situation as a rookie??

I agree with most of what u said other than cutler being garbage.

 

[lutha]

I meant comparing their games as in similarities, nothing else.

Johnny doesn't get bailed out by his wrs he has to throw catchable balls to them and they benefit from his playmaking just as much as he does and he's completing 73%

It's impossible for me to compare Russ right now to Johnny football of course Russ is a better qb but talking about potential coming out of school I'm going with manziel, u are talking about a contender to win back to back heismans. His potential is crazy

ok

he doesn't get bailed out? lol shytttttt....that bama game everyone likes to bring up, he wasn't doing shyt but throwing it up and evans was going to get it...which tends to happen a lot of games.....yea, his running around does help, but so does having a big target like that

the only person that compared rus in the league to johnny in college was that dumbass scout...I've been comparing rus in college to johnny in college...coming out of college, I'll say rus was better...I've always said I didn't understand how he went in the 3rd rd (I understand how, it was his height, just disagree with that dumbass thinking the gms used)...man, fukk a Heisman...it hasnt meant shyt for awhile now....but since you say it means his potential is crazy: tebow was a contender to win back to back heismans, what did that say about his potential?...johnny is not gonna be this star people hyping him up to be....he'll be lucky to stay in the league as a backup...

 

[Kenny_Powers]

Do u not agree that Russ was put in a great situation as a rookie??

I agree with most of what u said other than cutler being garbage.

I do agree with that, but I'm not going to act like he's completely dependent on the defense and Marshawn. However, as a rookie, especially one that was taken in the 3rd round, Pete and Bevell did not want him throwing the ball 35-40 times a game. We saw what he did when both the defense and Marshawn let him down in the biggest game of his career against ATL. The coaches unleash him, he goes for 385 passing yds. on 67% completion and 60 rushing yds.

My cutler comment may have been a hyperbole, but when you have Marshall, Jeffrey, and Forte, you have to be producing at a higher level.