Nick Wright: "Kobe was never the best player in the league once in his career"
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stop this lies about kobe not being a goat defender. he could turn the switch on any time it was necessary. he did it to bron in the allstar game and kobe was already passed his prime while bron was in his.
you tell me which is better. a sneak attack chase down block or a manu y manu block head up? who has to be the better defender?
bron is a super athletic basketball player who's bigger and stronger than most of the comp. kobe was never that. he was pretty darn athletic. he was long enough. but he was never THEE most athletic or these biggest guy. a guy with lebron's abilities Should chase people down. he can run faster than and jump higher than everyone in the nba.
you tell me which is better. a sneak attack chase down block or a manu y manu block head up? who has to be the better defender?
bron is a super athletic basketball player who's bigger and stronger than most of the comp. kobe was never that. he was pretty darn athletic. he was long enough. but he was never THEE most athletic or these biggest guy. a guy with lebron's abilities Should chase people down. he can run faster than and jump higher than everyone in the nba.
AlainLocke
Banned
According to what?
Stats?
Name a player that Kobe was better than...
He wasn't better than Dirk or Wade in 2005-2006
He wasn't better than Lebron or Wade during 2008-2009
He wasn't better than Tim Duncan or Shaq through 2000 to 2003
He wasn't better than KG during the 2003 - 2004 season...
There's no year when Kobe was the undisputed best player in the game...
AlainLocke
Banned
I am not a Lebron stan...my favorite player is AI.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Bron's inability to impose his will he should have picked up from dwade just as a student of the game. Before ever even teaming with dwade.
That was the difference between wade in the finals originally and bron's original off and finals issues to surpass Detroit previously and also getting spanked by San antonio.
All because bron does not commit to his natural.
Nor imposing his will as an effective high iq dribble drive player.
who can convert under duress at that point in time against a pedigreed coached unit. Bron would literally wilt away at any well coached unit and yes, wade had to ramp up bron as bron would have never and did never do it without dwade till he accompanied dwade, period.
Art Barr
just because lebron is the hot thing of this era. doesnt make him better than possibly the hottest thing ever to play on the perimeter.
most of this argument has to do with What have you done for me lately thought process. you're not in the present when you think of kobe. half of your thoughts are old man kobe with a blown achilles, bad knee, and bad shoulder, with broken fingers. brick laying. you can't erase that from your mind either. sure you remember some of those great games. but you dont even realize the current league isnt as difficult for bron as it was for kobe back then. the league is softer due to rule changes and the game has changed a ton.
dont confuse hyper athleticism and some smarts. with athleticism and superior intellect. there's a difference when playing vs versatile players. lebron can't guard steph curry because steph can shoot well. bron can't guard any superstar scorers that can shoot well. have you ever wondered why that is? he can defend guys that have to use their athleticism to score. because he's the most athletic player for his size/weight maybe ever. no one can top that part of who he is.
bron could shut down mvp rose(no jumper) but couldnt do it to mvp curry(best jumper of all time possibly.)
Bron would've been scored on a ton vs a prime vince (this is vince with hops and a jumper and passing ability). a prime tmac with orlando( 6'9, long, super athletic. excellent mid range pull up. solid 3 ball, excellent post game.
Prime ray allen before the injuries(we're talking seattle ray ray).
bron wasnt guarding Prime KG in the post when he was a wolve. not going to happen and bron would be the guy that weighed more.
bron couldnt switch on to a prime tim duncan without getting schooled.
who is bron guarding? a bunch of guys with severe holes in their games.
who is bron playing when he plays PF or Center at times? a bunch of non post up guys that are shaky in the paint with little to no footwork.
i told you i agreed with that part. i was talking about dwhistle in that finals vs dallas.
we know bron use to have anxiety issues when he faced a defense that knew his weakness. which was. "let him shoot."
NO team in the finals would let Kobe shoot. you could also do that to dwade for a very large portion of his career. until he got with bron too. his jumper got better with bron(not talking stats). just saying he was more willing to pull that open jumper and he had more confidence in hitting that 3 ball. probably because he was more open with bosh and bron on the squad. but thats something i noticed.
you better not back off of kobe. dont do it.as a matter of fact send 2 and have 2 behind them just in case.
AquaCityBoy
Veteran
Lebron stans 
Okay, forget about all the stats that show he was a great man-to-man defender, how about the 2010 playoffs where he completely shut down Paul Pierce? Or the game he was switched onto Rondo after Rondo's 30-point game and held him scoreless for an entire half? The 2011 playoffs where he was switched onto Derrick Rose for the 4th quarters of Game 4 and Game 5 and made him look like asscheeks? The game where he proved he could defend 7'0" Pau Gasol man-to-man for multiple plays in a row? The Spurs series where he was picking up Tony Parker and Tim Duncan in the same games (and really harassed TP badly all series long)?
Lebron can't play shut-down one-on-one defense all the time, because he's too important to the team defense AND he needs too much of his energy to carry his team on the offensive end. Even Kawhi slacked a lot on his defense this year because he took on more offensive responsibilities. But Lebron definitely has proven over and over that he can be a great one-on-one defender when he needs to, and both the stats and the eye test back that up. How many times have you seen an end-of-the-game play in the playoffs where Lebron's guy just had to give up the ball (or never got it) because he couldn't get the shot off? How many guys have you actually seen make a game-ending shot over Lebron on the playoffs when it mattered?
Even if you don't think he was a great M2M defender (which is false) he's still more versatile, he's still the better transition defender, and he's still a better off-ball defender. He is the better team defender and the more impactful defender as M2M defense is only a small part of the game with all the P&R play, transition play, and off-ball screening in the league.
Yep - for both Miami and Cleveland, Lebron has been an incredible lynchpin on defense whose presence chances what everyone else has to do and is capable of doing.
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silly analogy bruh. just silly. stick to the conversation. you and i both know dwade had a suspect jumper most of his career. which is why he rushed them rim every single play. thats the only way he believed he could score. he wasnt doing it to be efficient. he didnt have the skill to score any other way for awhile. at least not with confidence. dont fault a master in the skill of basketball for using all of his repertoire.So Kobe is more efficient than Shaq...
Kobe stans man...the fukk...
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
LeBron can't guard players who shoot well? Son this post is B.S. from top to bottom
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
did you watch prime Wade? He had a sick midrange game...
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
You must be having real issues remembering the ghost zone and trouncing Detroit basketball gave kobe.
Dwade was never a guy in high pressure moments when healthy you could leave alone and he was a dangerous open shooter in times of high intensity from any range.
Especially in 09, and in the era before captain jerk dislocated his rc and shoulder all season long.
I think you are missing major portions of the kobe and bron failures.
Maybe you just know they lost but you do not know how they lost.
Art Barr