Niger Thread: Junta ends military agreement with USA; Buying Russian weapons now

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Lets be real, this is not out of revolution.

A military coup is a military coup. They took out an elected leader to install themselves in power. Abdourahamane Tchiani was apparently was about to get sacked.

That isn't me saying defending President Bazoum, but more so saying use your words carefully.
Military coups d'état are revolutions as well, and the use of the word revolution fits my statement better. No matter the type of revolution (rural, popular, bourgeois, coups d'état...), it scares neighboring heads of states that try to keep the fire from spreading.
 

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Military coups d'état are revolutions as well, and the use of the word revolution fits my statement better. No matter the type of revolution (rural, popular, bourgeois, coups d'état...), it scares neighboring heads of states that try to keep the fire from spreading.
You know what, I will fall back. I get what you are saying and I agree.

I think of the context of a revolt, but it is. Saying that this is not a people-driven change.
 

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Yep, revolutions bring solidarity out of heads of states like nothing else. They see themselves in Bazoum.

I'm not sure if the war has started already, it seems like Niger is claiming it has, but the ECOWAS' forces haven't apparently made a move yet?

With the terrorist cells still running amok in Niger and its allies' countries, this could get horrendous for the region :snoop:
That's the most problematic part IMO. I don't know how similar Mali's situation is to Niger's when it comes to jihadism but I was reading this paper today :

Abstract: Over the past year, mercenaries from the Wagner Group, a private military company with very close ties to the Kremlin, deployed to Mali—first to Bamako, the capital, then to the central part of the country, then in the east all the way to Gao and Ménaka and in the north to Timbuktu. The arrival of Russian mercenaries hastened the departure of French and European forces.

However, the Russian private military company did not deploy capable, disciplined, and well-equipped troops to fill the gap, and its brutal and indiscriminate counterinsurgency efforts are serving as a recruiting tool for the jihadis. A year after the arrival of the Russian mercenaries to Mali, the security situation has worsened.

Despite ongoing fighting between al-Qa`ida and the Islamic State’s branches in the Sahel, the two terrorist groups are consolidating their sanctuaries and gaining an unprecedented range of action. With concern that Wagner may seek out Burkina Faso as its next client, the Russian mercenaries’ aggravation of the jihadi threat has very concerning implications for the stability and security of the region.

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It is said that West African countries were tired of France not being able to stop terrorism for good and that was one of the major reasons of the Mali and Burkina coups.

It seems that it was a bit effective to suppress it to some degree at least. Situation could become catastrophic and as usual, the civilians will pay the price...

We'll by the end of the year how Wagner' strategy evolved but thus far, it's not working well.
 

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Niger junta says it will prosecute deposed president for ‘high treason’

Niger’s military junta has said it will prosecute the deposed president, Mohamed Bazoum, for “high treason” and undermining state security, as concerns were raised about the detention conditions and health of Bazoum and his family.

The statement on Bazoum’s prosecution came hours after the junta indicated to religious mediators that they were open to a diplomatic resolution to the crisis that followed July’s coup. Bazoum could face the death penalty if convicted.

A spokesperson said on state television that the regime had gathered evidence to prosecute the ousted president and his accomplices, apparently referring to messages that Bazoum has communicated with foreign countries during his house arrest.

The junta’s announcement said high-ranking west African politicians and “their international mentors” had made false allegations and attempted to derail a peaceful solution to the crisis in order to justify a military intervention.

It said Bazoum was being charged following his exchanges with these people. The statement did not identify specific western countries and did not specify a date for the trial.

Bazoum, Niger’s democratically elected president, was ousted by members of his presidential guard on 26 July and has since been under house arrest with his wife and son.

A junta spokesperson, Amadou Abdramane, announced on state television on Sunday night that the military regime had “gathered the necessary evidence to prosecute before competent national and international authorities the ousted president and his local and foreign accomplices for high treason and for undermining the internal and external security of Niger”

People close to the president as well as those in his ruling party say the family’s electricity and water have been cut off and they are running out of food

Niger’s captive leader losing weight in inhumane conditions, daughter says Read more Bazoum told Human Rights Watch that his son needed to see a doctor because of a serious heart condition. But the junta said on Sunday that Bazoum was regularly seeing his doctor and that the last visit was on 12 August.

“After this visit the doctor raised no concerns about the state of health of the ousted president and members of his family,” Abdramane said

The junta accused west African politicians and international partners of fuelling a disinformation campaign to discredit the junta.

International pressure is growing on the junta to release and reinstate Bazoum. Immediately after the coup, the west African regional bloc Ecowas gave the regime seven days to return him to power and threatened to use military force if it did not happen, but that deadline came and went with no action from either side.

Ecowas said last week that it had ordered the deployment of a “standby” military force for a potential intervention to restore Bazoum, although it remained unclear when or if it would enter the country.

A memo from Senegal’s security forces dated 11 August, seen by the Associated Press, indicated that the country had ordered a “regroupment” from bases in Senegal on Monday as part of its contribution to the Ecowas mission in Niger. It was unclear what exactly was ordered to move, or where it was going.

Previous attempts by Ecowas to speak with the junta have foundered, and its delegations have been barred from entering the country.

The African Union’s peace and security council is meeting on Monday to discuss Niger’s crisis and could overrule the decision if it feels that wider peace and security on the continent is threatened by an intervention.

The statement regarding prosecution came hours after religious mediators met with the coup leader Gen Abdourahamane Tchiani, who indicated his regime was open to a diplomatic breakthrough.

According to Nigerian Islamic scholar Sheikh Bala Lau, Tchiani “said their doors were open to explore diplomacy and peace in resolving the matter”, a day after Lau’s delegation held talks in Niger’s capital, Niamey.

Tchiani reportedly “claimed the coup was well intended” and that the plotters “struck to stave off an imminent threat that would have affected” Nigeria as well as Niger, according to Lau’s statement. The Muslim leaders visited Niamey with the blessing of the Nigerian president, Bola Tinubu, who is also head of Ecowas.

The prospect of a military intervention to reinstate Bazoum has divided Ecowas members and drawn warnings from foreign powers including Russia and Algeria.

Niger’s neighbours Mali and Burkina Faso, also ruled by military governments who seized power in coups, have said an intervention would be tantamount to a declaration of war on them.
 

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man idk the coup was clearly for self-serving reasons

I just hope these countries are able to get stable democratic governments


I would be surprised if Nigeria moves ahead but they have a lot on the line
 

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Talks between regional bloc and Niger’s junta yield little, an official tells The Associated Press

From left; President of the ECOWAS Commission, Mousa Tourey, ECOWAS Special Envoy to Republic of Niger, General Abdulsalami Abubakar, Niger ousted President Mohamed Bazoum and Sultan of Sokoto Alhaji Muhammad Saad Abubakar III, pose in Niamey, Niger, Saturday, Aug. 19, 2023. An official present at talks between Niger’s mutinous soldiers and a delegation from West Africa’s regional bloc tells The Associated Press that talks Saturday, Aug. 19, 2023, yielded little and that the soldiers are under pressure from regional sanctions as they refuse to reinstate the country’s president whom they toppled nearly a month ago while being fearful of attacks from France.. (AP Photo, File)

NIAMEY, Niger (AP) — Mutinous soldiers in Niger are under pressure from regional sanctions as they refuse to reinstate the country’s president whom they toppled nearly a month ago while being fearful of attacks from France, an official said.

The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity after Saturday’s meeting between Niger’s new military regime and a delegation from the West African regional bloc, ECOWAS.

He said the roughly two-hour discussion aimed at finding a peaceful solution to the country’s deepening crisis, yielded little with no clarity on the next steps. It was the first time head of the junta, Gen. Abdourahmane Tchiani, met with the delegation after rebuffing previous attempts.

Saturday’s meeting was a last-ditch diplomacy scramble by the bloc to resolve the crisis peacefully and followed last week’s announcement that 11 of its 15 member states had agreed to intervene militarily if democratically-elected President Bazoum was not released from house arrest and reinstated.

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The bloc’s three other countries under military rule following coups, Guinea, Mali and Burkina Faso, were not included. The latter two had previously warned they would consider intervention in Niger an act of war.

On August 10, ECOWAS ordered the deployment of a “standby force” to go into Niger and restore constitutional rule. It’s unclear if and when the troops would intervene.

During the talks, Tchiani pushed for the lifting of economic and travel sanctions imposed by ECOWAS after the coup, saying Niger’s population was suffering because of them, but he was unwilling to give much in return, said the official. The junta said they were under pressure, at times striking a conciliatory tone and apologizing for past disrespect towards the bloc, while also defiantly standing by its decision to overthrow Bazoum and unequivocal about him not returning to power, the official added.

Tchiani also repeatedly expressed concerns that its former colonial ruler France — which has some 1,500 troops in the country and had been providing training and conducting joint operations with Niger’s military — was actively planning an attack, said the official.

Niger was seen by many Western countries as the last democratic partner in the region it could work with to beat back a growing jihadi insurgency by militant groups linked with al-Qaida and the Islamic State. France, the United States and other European nations have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into shoring up Niger’s army and the coup has been seen as a major setback.

Sahel experts say it’s not surprising that nothing came from Saturday’s meeting as each party is trying to show they’re open to discussions, yet the chances of an agreement are slim because their positions are starkly different.

“ECOWAS and the rest of the international community want to restore President Bazoum and the junta is not on this agenda,” said Seidik Abba, a Nigerien researcher and Sahel specialist and president of the International Center for Reflection for Studies On the Sahel, a think tank based In Paris. “The next step will be military confrontation … What we don’t know is when this confrontation will take place, how it will go, and what the consequences will be,” he said.

Shortly after the meetings Saturday, Tchiani went on state television and laid out a roadmap for the country, saying it would return to civilian rule within three years and that details for the plan would be decided within 30 days through a national dialogue set to launch immediately.

“I am convinced that we will find solutions to all the challenges we face and that we will work together to find a way out of the crisis, in the interests of all,” he said.

Transitions for Niger’s multiple previous coups were shorter, so a three-year timeline is unprecedented said Aneliese Bernard, a former U.S. State Department official who specializes in African affairs and is now director of Strategic Stabilization Advisors, a risk advisory group. “What we’re seeing in the region is the emergence of trends just to military rule,” she said.

But some Nigerien soldiers don’t think Tchiani will last three months, let alone several years.

A soldier who worked directly with Bazoum before the coup, and did not want to be named for fear of his safety, told the AP Saturday that there are deep divisions within the presidential guard — the unit that overthrew Bazoum — and within the junta itself.

Of the nearly 1,000 soldiers at the base on the presidential complex, the majority would flee if ECOWAS attacked, he said. He gave Tchiani a few months before he too is overthrown.

Tchiani is widely unpopular in security circles within Niger and seen as having reached his current post because of former president Mahamadou Issoufou’s patronage, rather than through his own connections and battlefield achievements, said Andrew Lebovich, a research fellow with the Clingendael Institute.


“While the (junta) has presented a unified public face, it is a partnership of branches of the armed forces that have competed for status and resources in the recent past and further,” he said.
 

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Now that US is gone the terrorism will stop right?

Terrorism going to continue even if the USA is gone. Who going to stop them? The newly “coup” government/military that is still trying to find its bearing in the region?:pachaha:

This new coup leaders still don’t see eye to eye with the neighboring counties. Peace? :hubie:
 
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