Nikola Jokic: Basketball is better today

[Rekkapryde]

Cooper Flagg

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

NBA 90s heads sounds like white baby boomers about MLB from the 1960s.

Its hilarious seeing this happen.

And I am a 1990s head. I grew up in that period and saw all the NBA on NBC years and the one year on CBS.

A lot of it is MJ nostalgia. Once you get past watching him and the bulls, the rest of the league was ugly as hell. The bulls fell off a cliff after he, Scottie, & Phil, & Rodman all retired or went elsewhere, but not much else around the league changed too drastically and all of a sudden everyone had to watch the rest of the league. That’s when people began to notice. Someone else besides the bulls now had to win the east and nobody liked what they saw in that conference. Outside of the lakers and kings, it’s hard to recall any teams besides maybe Dallas who were actually fun to watch as a team.

 

[mastermind]

The 90s NBA gets my respect because it was way harder to score. Players who averaged 20 ppg were actually impacting the outcome of the game. Even KD said on an interview that when he came into the league in ‘07 it was way harder to score.

Ron Harper averaged 20 game for the Clippers in 93-94.

Do you think that version of Ron Harper would average 20 ppg today?

Thats not a diss, but more that you shouldn't accept blanket statements like that.

 

[lib123]

Ron Harper averaged 20 game for the Clippers in 93-94.

Do you think that version of Ron Harper would average 20 ppg today?

Thats not a diss, but more that you shouldn't accept blanket statements like that.

That’s not the point. The point still stands that an individual player scoring 20 ppg had more impact on a game back then. Even though that team was bad Harper still had a positive net rating since players back then were forced to play defense. Now you have guys who have averaged 20 ppg like Cam Thomas, Tyler Herro, Anfernee Simons but they give up a ton of points hence why they have less individual impact on the team.

Harper may not have averaged 20 ppg in the modern NBA but his overall impact would be on par with Jrue Holiday who has only averaged over 20 ppg one season in his career. I’d rather have Jrue over Herro, Cam Thomas, Simons, etc.

 

[fifth column]

Parity doesn't have aura

League needs to be chasing a king, ironically

Kings rule dynasties

 

[VegetasHairline]

Kings rule dynasties

Not in Sacramento.

 

[fifth column]

Everyone can have their preferences and arguments

But there are unprecedented skills in the league today. Stuff that would have sounded like a cartoon back in the day.

7 footers with handles while being 3 point snipers...not long ago a 7 footer had knee and elbow pads and grimaced up n down the court lol

If one cant appreciate the highs of this era then they got something else going on. Its all kinds of amazing stuff going on

I agree if the NBA was a circus and not a sports league with zero sum rules. You play to win the game, all that other shyt is a cute distraction

 

[fifth column]

Not in Sacramento.

There is always an exception

 

[FlimFlam]

I agree if the NBA was a circus and not a sports league with zero sum rules. You play to win the game, all that other shyt is a cute distraction

Jokic won before though

 

[fifth column]

Jokic won before though

Jokic skills impacting winning is why he is like that

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Or like 90s hip hop heads

Golden Ages tend to get revered

It is funny how so much of the conversation about the league lately is about how to “fix it”(from the fans, the media, the commissioner), then we get these threads about how the time when the league was thriving at its peak was actually secretly complete trash

Cognitive dissonance all around

Except people were talking about how to fix the NBA back then too, it's the whole reason there was a fukkin lockout lmao. It especially got bad in the early 00s.

You know why the NBA stopped being on NBC in 2002? Because the ratings dropped so much that NBC didn't think it was worth trying to outbid ESPN lmao

 

[FlimFlam]

Jokic skills impacting winning is why he is like that

Pardon me but im not following our line of discourse

 

[ghostwriterx]

That’s not the point. The point still stands that an individual player scoring 20 ppg had more impact on a game back then. Even though that team was bad Harper still had a positive net rating since players back then were forced to play defense. Now you have guys who have averaged 20 ppg like Cam Thomas, Tyler Herro, Anfernee Simons but they give up a ton of points hence why they have less individual impact on the team.

Harper may not have averaged 20 ppg in the modern NBA but his overall impact would be on par with Jrue Holiday who has only averaged over 20 ppg one season in his career. I’d rather have Jrue over Herro, Cam Thomas, Simons, etc.

The Clippers won 27 games in the 93-94 season.
He had an offensive rating of 99 and a defensive rating of 108.

 

[mastermind]

A lot of it is MJ nostalgia. Once you get past watching him and the bulls, the rest of the league was ugly as hell. The bulls fell off a cliff after he, Scottie, & Phil, & Rodman all retired or went elsewhere, but not much else around the league changed too drastically and all of a sudden everyone had to watch the rest of the league. That’s when people began to notice. Someone else besides the bulls now had to win the east and nobody liked what they saw in that conference. Outside of the lakers and kings, it’s hard to recall any teams besides maybe Dallas who were actually fun to watch as a team.

I won't say it was ugly, but the mid 90s was bad basketball due to a lot of perimeter players having broken jump shots.

Another thing that gets overlooked is from 86-95, the college draft did not produce as many superstars as the league got in drafts prior. Its why most the best players in the league were drafted in the 80s through out the decade.

I agree that Jordan did mask a lot

 

[Bop Gun]

Football. Look at the 3 yards and a cloud of dust style offense so many teams used to run. Look at the quarterback quality across the league 25 years ago. Baseball. Go look at the movement on offense speed pitches 25 years ago compared to now while the average velocity of a 4 seam fastball has jumped from 89mph to 94mph in that same span.

The NFL has a huge problem with undervaluing the running game, and as a result of this philosophy, poor QB play across the entire league is what you see. Thankfully, it is slowly shifting back to the ground game.

MLB Pitchers are throwing harder but many Starters struggle to make it through 5 innings of decent work now. The bar has been lowered tremendously. You do not need 7 Pitchers to get through a 5-3, Nine Inning Regular Season game with no weather delays.

None of these Pitchers today are going to reach the 3,000 Career Strikeout milestone, as well as Batters getting 3,000 Career hits. It's all analytics now, Velocity over Control for Pitching, and Bat Speed and Launch Angles for Batters.