Nina Turner "Nobody in Ohio is asking about Russia"

[Gains]

Russia hasn't been the enemy in almost 30 years.

Talk about brain washing. I mean when bill was hanging with Putin it was cool, when Hillary was hanging with Putin it was cool, when Obama was hanging with outin it was cool.....but now Russia is the enemy?

All these politicians and many other businesses and politicians have been making deals with Russia over the past thirty years but....


fukk it....brainwashing huh?

 

[Piff Perkins]

I'd argue that a national election loss to Drumpf is a complete repudiation of Hillary, especially considering that she had hundreds of millions of dollars from (Wall Street) donors, her family name, experience as the First Lady, and political experience. But whatever.

Look, if Drumpf colluded with Russia to rig the election, fine, throw him in jail. I'll throw away the key.

But the main point is that normal, everyday, working Americans could give two shyts about Russia.

In the legendary words of James Carville: "It's the economy, stupid."

Most Americans don't give a fukk about Russia. They care more about surviving and providing for their families and taking it day to day. The MSM and the top brass Democrats are overlooking this to its detriment when it could be focusing on the ISSUES.

I don't believe the collusion was about Trump winning. It was about hurting Clinton/US democracy. Putin didn't even think Trump would win, and they had a twitter bot bomb planned for election night accusing Clinton of cheating.

Network news ratings, website traffic, and even newspaper purchases are booming because people are paying a LOT of attention to the Russian story. Like it or not, that's the reality. This is dominating the air right now.

Democrats will be fine. They're talking about "the issues" already. The fact of the matter is that they'll do well in 2018 regardless. The governing party always falters in midterms unless there's a special circumstance (911, which resulted in republicans doing solid in 2002 midterms). Trump is underwater and hasn't done anything to fix that or accomplished much of anything in congress.

TLDR: no one is losing because they're talking about Russia. People are still talking about healthcare and the economy too. If you're an adult you can talk about more than one thing in a day.

 

[William F. Russell]

I don't believe the collusion was about Trump winning. It was about hurting Clinton/US democracy. Putin didn't even think Trump would win, and they had a twitter bot bomb planned for election night accusing Clinton of cheating.

Network news ratings, website traffic, and even newspaper purchases are booming because people are paying a LOT of attention to the Russian story. Like it or not, that's the reality. This is dominating the air right now.

Democrats will be fine. They're talking about "the issues" already. The fact of the matter is that they'll do well in 2018 regardless. The governing party always falters in midterms unless there's a special circumstance (911, which resulted in republicans doing solid in 2002 midterms). Trump is underwater and hasn't done anything to fix that or accomplished much of anything in congress.

TLDR: no one is losing because they're talking about Russia. People are still talking about healthcare and the economy too. If you're an adult you can talk about more than one thing in a day.

Democrats have been overwhelming in the tank to get this Russia-Trump-impeachment thing going and I have yet to see one top Democrat focus more on the issues rather than Russia/trying to get Trump impeached. From Hillary to Sassy Maxine to Pelosi to Cuomo, none of them have been pushing economic issues. Democrats really need to dead this Russia shyt and focus on 2018 and 2020. If they think voters care about this shyt, they're in for a RUDE awakening.

To be fair, Republicans haven't been focusing on the issues themselves BUT they do have the President, the House and the Senate. Which makes this entire idea of impeachment stupid and short-sighted.

Republicans are playing the long game while Democrats are bytching over pie in the sky.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Democrats have been overwhelming in the tank to get this Russia-Trump-impeachment thing going and I have yet to see one top Democrat focus more on the issues rather than Russia/trying to get Trump impeached. From Hillary to Sassy Maxine to Pelosi to Cuomo, none of them have been pushing economic issues. Democrats really need to dead this Russia shyt and focus on 2018 and 2020. If they think voters care about this shyt, they're in for a RUDE awakening.

To be fair, Republicans haven't been focusing on the issues themselves BUT they do have the President, the House and the Senate. Which makes this entire idea of impeachment stupid and short-sighted.

Republicans are playing the long game while Democrats are bytching over pie in the sky.

What "issues" were republicans pushing in 2010 outside of opposing Obama on all fronts? That's how this shyt works. TRUMP is going to be the driving force, as Obama was in 2010. That's how midterms work lmao. And why they're different from general elections.

All you gotta do is look at the special elections. So far they're all showing major decline in republican districts. Right now it's looking like D+6, which is enough to nearly win the House. We'll see where things land next summer but right now dems are in good position.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

the irony is that reaganite crypto-fascists like you 30 years ago were the ones who were keeping the military-industrial complex alive by hyping up russia as an enemy, now all of a sudden you're eager to let them fukk you right in the ass ever since you found out you could scapegoat some more brown people.

I'm not afraid of shyt, all I know is our president's a fukking moron and the russians are going to use him to their advantage, which has a negative impact on all of us. I don't give a fukk if you wanna get fukked in the ass by Putin, but if I get taken advantage of by proxy then I'm going to set your house on fire.

Why are you even on this site you fukking moron, it's not DailyStormer. Take your bullshyt somewhere else.

relax ol "i don't read the entire post before i start beating the keyboards" ass nicca

 

[William F. Russell]

What "issues" were republicans pushing in 2010 outside of opposing Obama on all fronts? That's how this shyt works. TRUMP is going to be the driving force, as Obama was in 2010. That's how midterms work lmao. And why they're different from general elections.

All you gotta do is look at the special elections. So far they're all showing major decline in republican districts. Right now it's looking like D+6, which is enough to nearly win the House. We'll see where things land next summer but right now dems are in good position.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. You'd think Clinton/DNC supporters would've learned that lesson by now.

And as for Republicans, the onus isn't on them to run on issues because they're in already. 2017 is not the same as 2010. Drumpf is the face of the party but you'd be a fool if you don't think the RNC brass (Reince Priebus and Paul Ryan) aren't keeping dude on a leash.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. You'd think Clinton/DNC supporters would've learned that lesson by now.

And as for Republicans, the onus isn't on them to run on issues because they're in already. 2017 is not the same as 2010. Drumpf is the face of the party but you'd be a fool if you don't think the RNC brass (Reince Priebus and Paul Ryan) aren't keeping dude on a leash.

I forgot that one election means we have to throw decades of data out the window.

The president's party suffers in midterms. Enthusiasm is almost always on the side of the opposing party. I'm not saying we'll see a 2006 or 2010 type wave, but all signs RIGHT NOW point to a wave. We will see where things are next year though. You see these town hall protests? They're already bigger than many of the 2010 ones lol.

Show me one example of "RNC brass" keeping a leash on Trump lmao. Ryan is all aboard. The only person showing any type of semi independence is Mitch McConnell, who has to deal with the reality of senate rules and thus can't entertain Trump's fairytales. What power does Priebus have, when he's got Kushner and Bannon in his airspace dominating the agenda. Anyone think the RNC wanted that (failed) Muslim ban? Hell no. They want a legislation focus. TAX CUTS. And it's not happening.

I can tell you right now that I work in the finance area, and the higher ups here basically don't think they're getting tax cuts anymore. At least not the substantial "tax reform" cuts they expected. Trump is fukking this up, and his eyes are off the prize.

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

They always hated her.

Now they just really hate her.

 

[Red Shield]

so you're saying that the dems want to lose in 2018 and 2020?

i see where dude was coming from, but ultimately....nah, dont buy it

Maybe not want to lose...but they don't want to hold the bag. Gotta figure only a few at the top know what's coming.

I figure.. they probably figure this..

If they win, then they win. If they lose, they lose but at least the ain't holding the bag. Truthfully I think it will become increasingly unlikely they win. Since people want them to change into something, they won't be changing into ever. Basically vote for me as is or take a hike.

 

[vdfebduderocks]

what most people are saying in this thread isn't wrong.

But Nina Turner is a fool. If she really wanted things done, she probably should have shut up and voted for Clinton just like all the republicans still voted for Trump. You gotta compromise.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Russia hasn't been the enemy in almost 30 years.

Talk about brain washing. I mean when bill was hanging with Putin it was cool, when Hillary was hanging with Putin it was cool, when Obama was hanging with outin it was cool.....but now Russia is the enemy?

All these politicians and many other businesses and politicians have been making deals with Russia over the past thirty years but....


fukk it....brainwashing huh?

If Trump was just hanging with Putin it would also be cool.

Hanging/politicking = COOL
Subverting US elections and hiding potential financial conflicts of interest = NOT COOL

See how those two things are different?

So let's recap. It is in fact OK for our President to be chummy with other foreign leaders - even if we are not necessarily best friends. It is NOT OK for our President to appear so enamored by a foreign leader that he is willfully blind to how his actions are hurting U.S. interests.

Now, bear with me. I'm assuming you're a reasonable/rational person and not deliberately trolling. You may not necessarily agree with my contention that the President is enamored by Putin or that his relationship to Russia is innocuous. What I'm going to do (in bullet point format), is to list unresolved issues that would lead an objective/reasonable observer to wonder what is driving Trump's decisions.

1. recent NATO meeting where he refused to explicitly state support for Article 5 - something every US president has done and something that has huge symbolic value
2. unwillingness to open up his company/personal financial records to disprove allegations of massive financial connections to various Russia based entities/persons
3. going against the conclusion reached by every major US intel agency viz a viz the hacking
4. Trump's own contradictory responses to questions of his connections to/familiarity with Putin
5. all of the past/current administration/transition/campaign officials in the Russian orbit

The things listed above (1-5) would definitely NOT fall into the category of things that would be "cool" for our President to be engaged in.

 

[Deus]

It's good to see all the undercover Cacs come out of hiding.


fukk Trump and all he stands for.


Look what he did to Obama. Obama wasn't perfect but he at least was a decent man. Unlike this coward.

It's worth shutting down the government to get to the bottom of Russiagate. Imagine if Obama had done this shyt...even 1%.

But keep for Tang.

 

[ghostwriterx]

With Republicans seemingly obsessed with destroying the working class to give tax cuts to rich people I'm not sure any strategy is better than trying to get them the fukk out of power. Realistically how can Dems focus on and actually help the working class as long as these nutjobs are in control?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

With Republicans seemingly obsessed with destroying the working class to give tax cuts to rich people I'm not sure any strategy is better than trying to get them the fukk out of power. Realistically how can Dems focus on and actually help the working class as long as these nutjobs are in control?

Thats the focal point here ain't it. Single payer ain't coming under the Conservatives. Niether is minimum wage increases or good tax policy. The Dems can yell TrumpRussia for a few years because they lost so badly realistically they don't have a shot in 2018.

 

[Pressure]

So just because somebody lost an election, that means she doesn't know what she's talking about?

By that logic, Hillary is twice as dumb as Turner because she lost the Presidential Election twice, right? :SoDemonicHillary:

Isn't that your whole shtick?