No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice

[blackzeus]

That ESPN article is all white privilege, it's exactly the same sh*t, it's family, sh*t happens, you shouldn't be out of a career over it, but at the same time you should be punished for it. Hope Solo gets the common sense response because she's white, and a female on top of it, Ray Rice gets the irrational mob lynching response because he's a black male. I'm sure Ray didn't mean to knock his wife out, as I am sure Hope didn't mean to injure her family either. However they both need counseling and should be put on some sort of probation to make sure this sh*t don't repeat itself. Such is life, it's very simple, as a black man you can't f*ck up

 

[Black]

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

It needs to be noted that Hope Solo should also be reprimanded for those pics she took of herself...

I still can't get the disgust out of my mind, every time I see or hear roast beef...

 

[No1]

So if Hope Solo isn't like Ray Rice then what is she then?

Shout out to @NYC Rebel and @mastermind and @Mwakenya I can't with the rest of these dudes. This is another reason why I always say that having a lot of daps and having people support you on the coli is not reflective of strong posting or critical thinking--it's reflective of representing the popular opinion of a particular group. This entire thread is an exercise in red herrings and strawmen.

 

[phillycavsfan]

If you're a black man that's never read TNC or doesn't understand how great a writer he is, kill yourself.

 

[TGainz]

Hope has gotten enough punishment on her vagina

 

[NYC Rebel]

If you're a black man that's never read TNC or doesn't understand how great a writer he is, kill yourself.

The fact that he's foreign to a lot of dudes in here amazes me if you know the body of his work.

 

[phillycavsfan]

The fact that he's foreign to a lot of dudes in here amazes me if you know the body of his work.

It'd like walking around 100 years crying "who this Webby Du Boyz fakkit y'all keep talking bout"

Been reading Coates for almost a decade and there hasn't been a single thing he's written where I've said "I don't see how he could've come to that conclusion."

 

[NYC Rebel]

It'd like walking around 100 years crying "who this Webby Du Boyz fakkit y'all keep talking bout"

Been reading Coates for almost a decade and there hasn't been a single thing he's written where I've said "I don't see how he could've come to that conclusion."

The clarity in his writing is what makes him one of the best black contemporary writers, if not THE best writer opposite of Walt.

What's funny is how the most so called pro black posters in here prove my theory that black people do little research and study on black people as evidenced in there "who is he" responses. TNC is THAT DUDE and puts his foot into his work and the responses in here pretty much validate that a lot of niqqas do little to no reading on black culture and worst of all, lack the critical thinking skills to speak on those things with any depth. Recent events (rice, mike brown...etc) has made me lose respect towards a lot of folks, fam.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

They're the lamest fakkits on earth, almost as annoying as those losers who say "anti-racist is code for anti-white.

Its the same shyt and the same mentality. Im often disgusted by the sheer number of coli posters reppin ignorance, close-mindedness, and general ultra conservative, anti-progressive bullshyt like its normal. The only reason they ride against racism is because of personal interest. Otherwise they're in step on every issue with the Tea Party.

 

[obarth]

No one said women who commit domestic violence shouldn't face the same punishment.

WHO is advocating for that?

Literally, no one in this thread has made that argument yet these cats are clinging to that nonexistent point for one reason: they're too embarrassed to say what they really mean. They want Hope Solo to have as many people angry at her as Ray Rice does. They want Hope Solo to have her story publicized just as much as Ray's is. They want Hope Solo, even though she plays in a completely different sport with a completely different governing body, to receive the same punishment regarding her profession(loss of playing time/endorsements, etc.). But they realize how childish they'll sound if they run with the "she did it too, why doesn't she get in trouble?" lane of arguing, so they try to paint it as some mature, completely unbiased argument based on how the law should penalize women equally for domestic violence. This Hope Solo shyt is an opportunity for a lot of little boys to feel that they finally got one up on those cootie having girls. You'll notice these same cats appalled at this "lack of equality" never bring up FIFA or Nike. There's a genuine debate to be had (that doesn't really have to do with gender) on how leagues and sponsors have been handling these recent (though not at all recent) spates of domestic violence. But to have those debates, you have to actually be invested in having a constructive dialogue instead of merely trying to "show those feminists what's what".

No one is arguing for women to be absolved of any wrongdoing or to face lesser repercussions than men. A lot of y'all are just mad certain cases are getting more publicity and certain people are being more demonized than others. Well in that case, what @NYC Rebel has been saying is extremely relevant. Beyond the obvious difference in visibility and popularity between Rice/Peterson and Solo, domestic violence is viewed, rightfully so, as a male issue. Just like you guys don't want to hear it when discrimination and violence against gays is placed anywhere near the spectrum of discrimination/violence against blacks, nobody wants to hear grown ass men complaining that a female soccer player getting into a fight with her fam is as bad as an NFL running back knocking out his wife. When it comes to punishment for crimes, the law should work equally across racial and gender lines. When it comes to public perception, there is no law and rarely(unfortunately in some cases) any equality. People are gonna be angry at Riley Cooper for saying he'll "fight every ****** in here" but not give a damn if Colin Kaepernick calls somebody a nikka to their face. I don't have to explain why. You nikkas aren't children, you've lived in reality for some time now. You know what context is.

With all that said, the reactions I've seen from some posters concerning this whole domestic violence thing is going to provide an endless amount of unintentional comedy the next time I see the term "fatherless" thrown around

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Literally, no one in this thread has made that argument yet these cats are clinging to that nonexistent point for one reason: they're too embarrassed to say what they really mean. They want Hope Solo to have as many people angry at her as Ray Rice does. They want Hope Solo to have her story publicized just as much as Ray's is. They want Hope Solo, even though she plays in a completely different sport with a completely different governing body, to receive the same punishment regarding her profession(loss of playing time/endorsements, etc.). But they realize how childish they'll sound if they run with the "she did it too, why doesn't she get in trouble?" lane of arguing, so they try to paint it as some mature, completely unbiased argument based on how the law should penalize women equally for domestic violence. This Hope Solo shyt is an opportunity for a lot of little boys to feel that they finally got one up on those cootie having girls. You'll notice these same cats appalled at this "lack of equality" never bring up FIFA or Nike. There's a genuine debate to be had (that doesn't really have to do with gender) on how leagues and sponsors have been handling these recent (though not at all recent) spates of domestic violence. But to have those debates, you have to actually be invested in having a constructive dialogue instead of merely trying to "show those feminists what's what".

No one is arguing for women to be absolved of any wrongdoing or to face lesser repercussions than men. A lot of y'all are just mad certain cases are getting more publicity and certain people are being more demonized than others. Well in that case, what @NYC Rebel has been saying is extremely relevant. Beyond the obvious difference in visibility and popularity between Rice/Peterson and Solo, domestic violence is viewed, rightfully so, as a male issue. Just like you guys don't want to hear it when discrimination and violence against gays is placed anywhere near the spectrum of discrimination/violence against blacks, nobody wants to hear grown ass men complaining that a female soccer player getting into a fight with her fam is as bad as an NFL running back knocking out his wife. When it comes to punishment for crimes, the law should work equally across racial and gender lines. When it comes to public perception, there is no law and rarely(unfortunately in some cases) any equality. People are gonna be angry at Riley Cooper for saying he'll "fight every ****** in here" but not give a damn if Colin Kaepernick calls somebody a nikka to their face. I don't have to explain why. You nikkas aren't children, you've lived in reality for some time now. You know what context is.

With all that said, the reactions I've seen from some posters concerning this whole domestic violence thing is going to provide an endless amount of unintentional comedy the next time I see the term "fatherless" thrown around

You my nikka breh, I barely ever disagree with you but what exactly is childish or wrong about speaking out against selective outrage?

Ray Rice life has been completely destroyed over one mistake, yet you never heard a word about Hope who is a repeat offender...That to any reasonable human being isn't right, a no tolerance policy should not be selective...Gender, race, sport/occupation should not effect the outrage or the punishment...No tolerance on domestic violence is either enforced everywhere or its not enforced at all...I don't see anything childish about this logical approach to this issue...

 

[Taadow]

Let's be real here brehs. As a man you can put a woman through a fukkin wall and there isn't shyt she can do about it, but cry for help from another man. Conversely, a woman can't beat your ass unless she has a weapon, or she's some big Samoan chick and you're a little bytch.

So it's not exactly the same thing, Ray Rice's woman couldn't do shyt against him, but Hope Solo's 17 year old brother and grown woman sister aren't at the same disadvantage. Now should she be suspended? Yes. Should she be defended and given all this team captain bullshyt? fukk no.

It's like the biggest strongest dude in the room picking on the smallest dude in the room, it's some bytch made shyt. However, the term "Don't start none, won't be none" also comes to mind. Your small ass can get that work too if you fukk with me, understand?

Thread should've ended here.

Ray Rice and Hope Solo's situations are almost the same: they are athletes who are trained to go when accosted, and fell into domestic disputes (possibly after being 'provoked'. Yeah. Come at me) with people smaller than them.

The differences are: Ray's was caught on tape, and Hope has a history of this type of thing. Hmm.

 

[obarth]

You my nikka breh, I barely ever disagree with you but what exactly is childish or wrong about speaking out against selective outrage?

Ray Rice life has been completely destroyed over one mistake, yet you never heard a word about Hope who is a repeat offender...That to any reasonable human being isn't right, a no tolerance policy should not be selective...Gender, race, sport/occupation should not effect the outrage or the punishment...No tolerance on domestic violence is either enforced everywhere or its not enforced at all...I don't see anything childish about this logical approach to this issue...

If you took any of what I said as coming at you sideways, my bad breh. If you want to have a genuine debate about how FIFA is handling the Hope Solo situation, cool. If you want to have a convo about how Nike has treated these allegations against Solo, cool. But nobody has been trying to talk about that. Hope Solo is going to get her day in court and we can then have a conversation about how the law treats women in similar cases of domestic violence as men (though these aren't similar cases). Does anybody know what FIFA's personal conduct policy is? Is it two games for the first offense...six...eight? Do they have an exempt/commissioner's permission list? Of course what sport someone plays dictates their punishment, breh

Maybe I should have used the words naive, instead of childish, because you have to be naive to not realize why Hope Solo isn't going to get the level of outrage thrown at her that Ray Rice would. Either naive, or you're (I'm using a general "you're" not necessarily addressing you) trying to push for a reaction based on a position of power and thus want to throw the realities of society out of the window for a "fairness" that has never existed. That's why the comparisons I've seen used by cats like @BarNone work so well. You're effectively using the "see, they do it too" argument that you'd see bigoted whites use if a black cop killed an unarmed white kid, while throwing away all historical context and empirical data that shows why one situation merits more outrage or discussion than the other. A young person losing their life by an incompetent cop too eager to pull the trigger is sad and an outrage regardless of the demographics involved. But when it's a white cop gunning down an unarmed black kid we see more outrage because of historical context and empirical data that has led many to question if these repeated incidents aren't indicative of a much more troubling, inherent, and dangerous issue in this country. If someone violently attacks their significant other or a family member it's sad and outrageous regardless of the demographics involved. But when it's a man attacking a female we see more outrage because of historical context and empirical data that has led many to believe we live in a nation that has an uncomfortable amount of young men that place little value on the lives/well being of women. No one is debating the morality of a woman hitting a man versus a man hitting a woman; we're debating the realities of why it's not as simple as putting an "=" between the two acts outside of a court of law.

 

[Stone]

Shout out to @NYC Rebel and @mastermind and @Mwakenya I can't with the rest of these dudes. This is another reason why I always say that having a lot of daps and having people support you on the coli is not reflective of strong posting or critical thinking--it's reflective of representing the popular opinion of a particular group. This entire thread is an exercise in red herrings and strawmen.

I just think there's a middle ground here to be reached but I'm just not good enough to articulate it. On one hand, I'm well aware of how and why DV coming from women is treated differently.

On the other , you have a repeat offender here on Solo who seems to have a problem. I'm not really sure of what to make of the article or the thread because both sides seem to be arguing two different things , but they're almost the same thing if that makes any sense