No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice

[hashmander]

man i'm disappointed with this thread. not the author or rebel or mastermind (and any others i might have missed), but the rest of you simpletons that can't see this is the kind of logic the right wing uses WITH EVERY fukkING ISSUE. apparently it's the logic of victim-hood and no one plays the victim today more than a right winger. white cop kills black person ... well why don't they protest black on black crime with the same passion. almost everyone of your posts critical of coates (and the fact that you dumb fukks are making fun of his name and calling his history into question the man had one of the more powerful pieces on reparations you'll ever read ... read his work and go learn something you dumb fukks) could be found on any perpetual white victim site (redstate, free republic, etc they make fun of him there too BTW) with words changed from woman/gay to black and and without changing woman/gay. it's especially galling when the powerful play it. anyway i just wanted to comment as a non-nigerian since the only other people talking sense are nigerian. when it comes to man/woman issues i kinda understand how it is to be a sensible white man, you have the power. the ones who realize it and don't complain when injustices are pointed out live a happier life. you won't be angry all the time because you know even if they complain you still have the power. throw them a bone once in awhile. having a little common sense doesn't make you a feminist. just like a white man acknowledging injustice shouldn't make him a liberal do-gooder among his white peers.

oh and the game changer for ray rice was the video. just like even with the criticism AP is getting right now, it would be game over for him if there was video. the moving pictures move people. have a video of hope rampaging around her house looking as ugly as her snatch with the 17 year old and others crying in terror at this bully and the reaction would be different.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

The real argument is Hope Solo vs AP and the severity of each act . Notice All Day did not provoke as much outrage as Ray did. The problem is why is it okay the beat the crap out of minors, whether they be 4 or 17 in some quarters of society??? The society should love and cherish our children.

I don't know about this, tho.

I'd say AD's incident elicited more outrage (compared to when the first video leaked and he was arrested) because AD's arrest came against the backdrop of the heightened Ray Rice fiasco.

Ray Rice's outrage increased once Josh Gordon was punished and people started drawing parallels between the two and then it reached astronomical levels once the second video was released.

 

[Real N Quotes]

Same with cheating.

Men cheats on wife scum

Woman cheats on husband well he should have been around more.

Man comes out as homo, wow how could he play his wife like that

Orange is black creator comes out as a lesbian, what a perfect love story.

Thank you breh...like I said this world is upside down thanks to

 

[the next guy]

I don't know about this, tho.

I'd say AD's incident elicited more outrage (compared to when the first video leaked and he was arrested) because AD's arrest came against the backdrop of the heightened Ray Rice fiasco.

Ray Rice's outrage increased once Josh Gordon was punished and people started drawing parallels between the two and then it reached astronomical levels once the second video was released.

I'm not sure I agree breh. People were mad at Ray but there was no video so it was just another case. The video comes, and like you said it reached astronomical levels. There was plenty of people defending AP. Ray rice, there was a fringe. And people like the Author of the article are trying to make that bigger then it was to get hits.


I know no one wants to admit this, but AP was getting a lot of defenders because of how disrespectful and rude kids are today.

 

[philmonroe]

Let's be real here brehs. As a man you can put a woman through a fukkin wall and there isn't shyt she can do about it, but cry for help from another man. Conversely, a woman can't beat your ass unless she has a weapon, or she's some big Samoan chick and you're a little bytch.

So it's not exactly the same thing, Ray Rice's woman couldn't do shyt against him, but Hope Solo's 17 year old brother and grown woman sister aren't at the same disadvantage. Now should she be suspended? Yes. Should she be defended and given all this team captain bullshyt? fukk no.

It's like the biggest strongest dude in the room picking on the smallest dude in the room, it's some bytch made shyt. However, the term "Don't start none, won't be none" also comes to mind. Your small ass can get that work too if you fukk with me, understand?

I agree with bold but I think the problem you run into is don't be all screaming "domestic violence" is unacceptable then switch it up when its the same thing different circumstances. That's what gets the media or anybody in trouble taking hard line stances on something then when its convenient for you its not the same. That's always going to be looked at funny by some and that's where the problem starts most times people being flimsy in their beliefs or at least the ones they are so vocal about

 

[Goatpoacher]

Not sure I agree with the editorial entirely, but dear god Coates is a brilliant writer.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I'm not sure I agree breh. People were mad at Ray but there was no video so it was just another case. The video comes, and like you said it reached astronomical levels. There was plenty of people defending AP. Ray rice, there was a fringe. And people like the Author of the article are trying to make that bigger then it was to get hits.


I know no one wants to admit this, but AP was getting a lot of defenders because of how disrespectful and rude kids are today.

I see where you're coming from, but AD is inactive right now. I guess folks ain't really outraged at AD as much as they're just outraged at the NFL and this is just another incident to pile on against the league

 

[the next guy]

I see where you're coming from, but AD is inactive right now. I guess folks ain't really outraged at AD as much as they're just outraged at the NFL and this is just another incident to pile on against the league

Right, Ray was the main earthquake and All Day the aftershock.

AP should not have done all that and I hate that if feels like people are less angry because it's a kid.

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

I know for one thing, after her leaked pictures. it looks like Ray Rice punched Hope Solo in the snatch

 

[calh45]

Nope.

If he's going to bring up society's historical reaction to violence in regards to gender he should also mention that as a society we consistently provide excuses or add some sort of conditional reasoning when a woman commits an act of violence. Are women as physically capable as men? Most times no, but when they do attack someone they're given an empathetic protection that men do not get. In the case of Hope it's a "family brawl" instead of her straight up whooping her sister and nephew's ass.

NEXT, in the case of correlation he got this part incorrect:

we should not pretend that if Ray Rice were accused of assaulting his younger brother and his 17-year old nephew, we would be having this conversation.

The correct correlation is older brother and 17 year old niece which Ray would still be catching heavy hell. Imagine if the story was Ray was invited to his estranged older brother's house for the first time in a while because he has a history of fighting/going crazy on the family and he tells his niece "She's too fat to be an athlete" and she call him a bytch then he punches her in the face then punches his older brother when he tries to pull him off and finally it takes the police for him to leave. The whole world would lose their mind even more and it'd cease to be a "family brawl" it'd be "Ray Rice beats up his 17 year old niece"

They'll give exceptions to Hope that they won't give Ray OR AD. Also, Hope has a history of this unlike Ray, but that'll get skipped over too.

 

[boskey]

So domestic violence is ok as long as the violence isn't too bad right? If Ray Rice would have backhanded his girl twice, he would only have gotten a light penalty? We here all this talk about how women are equal. If domestic violence is bad, then they are EQUALLY culpable for situations where they do not control their emotions and bring violence into the equation.

Yes that is right. All violence is judged on a scale. Pushing somebody is not as bad as shooting somebody.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

What goes you gotta worry about some woman giving you the beats, bro? You seriously worry about a woman putting the mitts on you to the point you have to leave in fear of her physically killing you?

Ever heard of Jodie Arias and Travis Alexander?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Ever heard of Jodie Arias and Travis Alexander?

No, but I grew up hearing my neighbor beating his wife's ass for years until she left him. I heard of my man Stanley older brother killing his girl before shooting himself two years ago. I heard my wife's grandmother was killed in a murder suicide back in the 1970s. I heard my uncle beat his wife's ass that she had to leave Brooklyn and run to south Jersey away from him. I heard my mom has to get surgery on her lip after 30+ years when my pops put the mitts to her when I was in her womb.

Don't make this shyt a contest. Men own this shyt

 

[kevm3]

Yes that is right. All violence is judged on a scale. Pushing somebody is not as bad as shooting somebody.

Cool, so it's ok for 140 lb men to beat women but not 300 lb men, because the 'scale is different' and the weaker man won't be capable of as much damage. Ray Rice would have gotten off if he pulled his wife's hair, and slapped her a couple of times before spitting in her face right?

 

[boskey]

Cool, so it's ok for 140 lb men to beat women but not 300 lb men, because the 'scale is different' and the weaker man won't be capable of as much damage. Ray Rice would have gotten off if he pulled his wife's hair, and slapped her a couple of times before spitting in her face right?

140 pound guys can still do damage to a woman (its not the size of the dog in the fight, and so on). But yes Ray Rice would have gotten off if he just pulled her hair and slapped her a couple times on the elevator. If she wasn't knocked unconscious and dragged off the elevator then nobody would ever know. It wouldn't make him a better husband but he wouldve avoided arrest and he would probably still have a job.

Any more questions I can answer?