No thread about El Salvador’s Bukele becoming a dictator?

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Dictator is a slippery slope, people only care when a Dictator is ineffective (and there is no way to peacefully remove them). Nobody complains about President Xi for example because he is seen as an effective leader.
People don't complain because China has a highly effective repression aparatus.
 

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Thats the complicated thing, when turning countries from 0 it is debatable if that every 4 yrs debating what next stuff works vs laying out a 50-100 year plan. The issue though usually when you have these "benevolent dictators" rarely is society groomed for life post dictatorship once it is ready for democracy OR if the baton is to be handed off nobody is groomed, it is usually the dictator dies unexpectedly and people scramble for power.

Yeah and I'm being objective as I can with Bukele. A lot of innocent people were locked up and had to suffer because of him, but a lot more people have been able to see their lives improve because of what he's done(in the short term). I believe Bukele was fortunate to come into power when he did because while El Salvador probably was in a poor state...their Civil War was far worse than what he actually had/has to address(I'm thinking of Taiwan and Singapore post WW-II, South Korea post Korean War as well). If he came into power in the 90s he would've absolutely accomplished nothing. I actually think he can avoid hurting more people than almost all dictatorships inevitably do.
 

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He always was. The initial “methods” he employed to reduce crimee involved him giving concessions to the terroristic gangs of his country. He safeguarded gang members who beared witness to these dealings from getting extradited. He dissolved and restricted civil protections and corralled people through means of arbitrary profiling and uncorroborated accusations. Dude has always been evil. Latin America and the Caribbean are so right-leaning and myopic that people from the region were actually calling for these practices to be carried out in their respective countries. The irony of it all is dude is Palestinian.​
 

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Yeah and I'm being objective as I can with Bukele. A lot of innocent people were locked up and had to suffer because of him, but a lot more people have been able to see their lives improve because of what he's done(in the short term). I believe Bukele was fortunate to come into power when he did because while El Salvador probably was in a poor state...their Civil War was far worse than what he actually had/has to address(I'm thinking of Taiwan and Singapore post WW-II, South Korea post Korean War as well). If he came into power in the 90s he would've absolutely accomplished nothing. I actually think he can avoid hurting more people than almost all dictatorships inevitably do.

For context I`m not promoting him I`m just saying Dictatorship is a complicated concept. Most Leaders of countries aren't that great thus it gets amplified in a dictatorship, but if you asked someone if their country is doing great and on a good trajectory would they care if the same president keeps things on that trajectory for 30 years, would they care? I'd argue most people will say no keep it up
 

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Dictator is a slippery slope, people only care when a Dictator is ineffective (and there is no way to peacefully remove them). Nobody complains about President Xi for example because he is seen as an effective leader.
yes they do, but anyone who complains disappears ..... western countries see him as effective because the party rules by fear
 

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Dictator is a slippery slope, people only care when a Dictator is ineffective (and there is no way to peacefully remove them). Nobody complains about President Xi for example because he is seen as an effective leader.
Legend Of The Galactic Heroes brehs :wow:
 

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He’s an American puppet . I don’t think they will take him out as long as he serves American interests .

What I`m wondering is how he will/if he can spread Western influence in the region. In South America for example the Western puppets/aligned are pretty much seen as stooges
 
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