No thread on Kobe scoring 4 POINTS shooting 12% with 8 turnovers? :pachaha:

[Jplaya2023]

The person i quoted never said anything about championships.

He said Jordan made the playoffs his rookie season with an 80 year old George Gervin and a flabby n sick Charles Oakley. I responded to that.

2nd, Now because Jordan on the Wiz werent expected to make the Finals, those seasons dont matter......but Kobes seasons with Kwame, Smush, and Luke do?


Face it, your idol had a losing record in games he played without Pippen

Oakley wasn't on the bulls in Jordan's rookie season. George Gervin was brought in, in jordan's second season and only got tick because Jordan got hurt. So let's be accurate with our "facts"

No, nobody expected Jordan to carry the wizards to the title, so they don't matter. Who expected the 05, 06 and 07 lakers to win the title? No one did, so it's not a knock on Kobe, atleast to me.

I look at years in which players had a championship caliber squad and they either won or didn't win.

for example

Jordan had championship caliber sqauds from 90-93 and 96-98 and won 6-7 times.

Kobe had championship caliber squads from 96-04, and 08-12 and won 5 of 12 times.

Lebron had championship caliber squads in 10,11, and 12 and won 1 of 2 so sar

 

[MBwithadream]

 

[Marvel]

Oakley wasn't on the bulls in Jordan's rookie season. George Gervin was brought in, in jordan's second season and only got tick because Jordan got hurt. So let's be accurate with our "facts"

No, nobody expected Jordan to carry the wizards to the title, so they don't matter. Who expected the 05, 06 and 07 lakers to win the title? No one did, so it's not a knock on Kobe, atleast to me.

I look at years in which players had a championship caliber squad and they either won or didn't win.

for example

Jordan had championship caliber sqauds from 90-93 and 96-98 and won 6-7 times.

Kobe had championship caliber squads from 96-04, and 08-12 and won 5 of 12 times.

Lebron had championship caliber squads in 10,11, and 12 and won 1 of 2 so sar

Glad you didn't bring up that '07 team because they were utter garbage. He should get some credit for taking that pitiful team to the finals. If its held against him to take that team to finals, he would been better off falling on the sword against Detroit and taking the L. Lebron made the '09 and '10 squads championship caliber w/o him they became the worst team in the league.

Even when Pippen took over the team in '94 they won 55 games w/o Jordan. That dispels the myth that Jordan "carried" that team. Jordan couldn't get passed the first round without Pippen. We know he is capable, but he didn't do it. Everybody has a blemish on their resume if you look close enough. Lebron's '11 finals performance is his blemish.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Glad you didn't bring up that '07 team because they were utter garbage. He should get some credit for taking that pitiful team to the finals. If its held against him to take that team to finals, he would been better off falling on the sword against Detroit and taking the L. Lebron made the '09 and '10 squads championship caliber w/o him they became the worst team in the league.

Even when Pippen took over the team in '94 they won 55 games w/o Jordan. That dispels the myth that Jordan "carried" that team. Jordan couldn't get passed the first round without Pippen. We know he is capable, but he didn't do it. Everybody has a blemish on their resume if you look close enough. Lebron's '11 finals performance is his blemish.

Lebron get's credit for 07, but he exceeded expectations that year. The pistons suffered from Hubris and blew the series.

Let's look closer at that 94 bulls team. For starters they lost Jordan, but added the best europeon player in toni kukoc. They added Luc Longley, and Steve Kerr who contributed to the team. Also this was a core that just won 3 straight titles and they knew how to play with eachother. Everyone played over their head that year (phil said they killed themselves in the regular season at how hard they played). But Pippen still get's credit.

If you replaced jordan with pippen on those 85 86 and 87 bulls squads they likely don't even make the playoffs

 

[Newzz]

Oakley wasn't on the bulls in Jordan's rookie season. George Gervin was brought in, in jordan's second season and only got tick because Jordan got hurt. So let's be accurate with our "facts"

No, nobody expected Jordan to carry the wizards to the title, so they don't matter. Who expected the 05, 06 and 07 lakers to win the title? No one did, so it's not a knock on Kobe, atleast to me.

I look at years in which players had a championship caliber squad and they either won or didn't win.

for example

Jordan had championship caliber sqauds from 90-93 and 96-98 and won 6-7 times.

Kobe had championship caliber squads from 96-04, and 08-12 and won 5 of 12 times.

Lebron had championship caliber squads in 10,11, and 12 and won 1 of 2 so sar

In 2009, the Cavs and Celtics were championship caliber teams in the East

 

[Jplaya2023]

In 2009, the Cavs and Celtics were championship caliber teams in the East

no way no how.

Any team with Mo williams as it's second best player is not a championship contending squad.
I don't care how many regular season games they win


Boston get's a pass because KG got hurt. They repeat if he stays healthy

 

[Newzz]

no way no how.

Any team with Mo williams as it's second best player is not a championship contending squad.
I don't care how many regular season games they win


Boston get's a pass because KG got hurt. They repeat if he stays healthy

So you werent shocked when the Magic beat them? That was definitely an upset.


Nobody thought that was gonna happen

 

[GreatestLaker]

no way no how.

Any team with Mo williams as it's second best player is not a championship contending squad.
I don't care how many regular season games they win


Boston get's a pass because KG got hurt. They repeat if he stays healthy

09 Cavs were a better than the 03 and 12 Lakers. If the 09 Cavs aren't a contender then neither are those LA teams.

 

[Jplaya2023]

So you werent shocked when the Magic beat them? That was definitely an upset.


Nobody thought that was gonna happen

I wasn't shocked, Orlando was a matchup nightmare and Mike Brown got out coached. How do u let Dwight erupt and still give up 10+ 3's a game. He has lebron guarding rafer alston, and delonte west trying to guard someone 6'10. Mike Brown was awful in that series. Cleveland honestly should have gotten swept.

 

[Jplaya2023]

09 Cavs were a better than the 03 and 12 Lakers. If the 09 Cavs aren't a contender then neither are those LA teams.

No way in hell, the lakers won 3 straight titles, and hubris kept them from winning a 4th. The 03 lakers would be favorites against that 09 cavs team.

The 12 lakers get a pass, they been injured and been through 2 coaching changes.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

no way no how.

Any team with Mo williams as it's second best player is not a championship contending squad.
I don't care how many regular season games they win


Boston get's a pass because KG got hurt. They repeat if he stays healthy

But you care about how many games a team wins when determining MVP. How does hat make sense?

 

[GreatestLaker]

No way in hell, the lakers won 3 straight titles, and hubris kept them from winning a 4th. The 03 lakers would be favorites against that 09 cavs team.

The 12 lakers get a pass, they been injured and been through 2 coaching changes.

Both Kobe and Shaq were injured during the 03 playoffs and their supporting cast were on their last legs. Horry shot blow 0% from 3. Mitch did a terrible job of putting players around Kobe and Shaq.

The Lakers barely won 50 games and they were the 6th seed. People only gave them the benefit of the doubt because of their championship history.

 

[Marvel]

Lebron get's credit for 07, but he exceeded expectations that year. The pistons suffered from Hubris and blew the series.

Let's look closer at that 94 bulls team. For starters they lost Jordan, but added the best europeon player in toni kukoc. They added Luc Longley, and Steve Kerr who contributed to the team. Also this was a core that just won 3 straight titles and they knew how to play with eachother. Everyone played over their head that year (phil said they killed themselves in the regular season at how hard they played). But Pippen still get's credit.

If you replaced jordan with pippen on those 85 86 and 87 bulls squads they likely don't even make the playoffs

Good post

 

[Marvel]

Both Kobe and Shaq were injured during the 03 playoffs and their supporting cast were on their last legs. Horry shot blow 0% from 3. Mitch did a terrible job of putting players around Kobe and Shaq.

The Lakers barely won 50 games and they were the 6th seed. People only gave them the benefit of the doubt because of their championship history.

The Rockets in '95 suffered injuries and were a 6th seed too. That didn't keep them from winning a title that year

 

[Marvel]

09 Cavs were a better than the 03 and 12 Lakers. If the 09 Cavs aren't a contender then neither are those LA teams.

Are you kidding? This is why people can't take Lakers stans seriously. Forget the records...how in the hell can you say that the Cavs team was better than the '03 Lakers?

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