now i finally believe that dr. dre uses ghost producers

[JustCKing]

Making beats doesn't mean you produced the song though. In a lot of cases, the person who makes the "beat" simply programmed drums. Someone else played guitar, strings, and keyboards etc. The producer is the person who puts it all together ensuring that it sounds like one cohesive piece. Otherwise, it could sound like one big mess.

Liner notes often reveal this fact. The person who produced the song doesn't necessarily have to manually create a beat. There's a lot of people who make beats and erroneously label themselves producers. Yes, they probably made the beat, but they aren't there with the artist to create the song. They made the beat with no regard for the artist. That's why you have these disgruntled beat makers who get mad when they get placements on big albums and didn't receive production credits. They didn't get production credits because a real producer has to step in and do what the beat maker didn't do. They have to ensure that everything is in harmony (the vocals and the instruments). Sometimes, the producer will have to entirely re-do the track to get the sound that they want. They add and subtract things, but may keep the overall vibe the same.

 

[JustCKing]

Another thing that people don't get is that a co-producer is not a "ghost producer". If they receive credit, there's nothing "ghost" about it. The other misconception is that the co-producer is the guy that really did the "heavy lifting". That's not true either. The reason that person is credited with being a co-producer in the first place is because they aided and assisted with producing the song. That can range from something as simple as adding a bell to something as complex as re-playing a sample.

There's also people that believe that producers give themselves credit as the main producer, but give co-production credits to the lesser known producer for promo. That's not true either. A lot of labels and artists do not care for name recognition. Big names only go so far and could actually work against them which is why it doesn't make sense.

 

[I love Latina women]

This nikka said Jamie Foxx has a wall full of hairlines at the end.

 

[JustCKing]

yeah. by 93', dr. dre already had a name. how would it look if some "no name" producer came in and was now doin' the majority of the work

It would look like some "no name producer" should get even more work. They didn't need Dr. Dre to sell a Snoop Dogg album at that point. Given the chemistry, Dr. Dre wasn't even featured on Snoop's singles despite them having success with "Dre Day", "Deep Cover", and "Nuthin' But A G Thang". That's if they really needed Dre as a name. They had nothing to lose giving full production credit to Daz. If it was just name branding they needed, they could've credited the "no name" as a producer and had Dr. Dre as the executive producer.

 

[JustCKing]

It says right there he did the drum programming

How are people missing this?

 

[JustCKing]

his name still won't listed underneath that song where dr. dre and snoop's is though; on the left side where the track list is. why he ain't get full credit?

all i'm sayin' is ghost producin' is wack. if you produce somethin', you should just get full credit for whatever you did, plain and simple

Maybe because all he did is program drums. That doesn't mean he produced the song.

 

[Taadow]

What happened to Yella when Dre left?

When Dre left Yella gave us these classics, that's what the fucc happened to Yella.

Sit down.

 

[Insensitive]

that nikka Dre has that clarity in his delivery that Kanye doesn't have...Kanye's delivery is horrible half the time..and Diddy sounds like he rappin off a piece of paper..lol

And on his early records Kanye was breathing all through his verses

 

[I love Latina women]

Cavi Hit is fukking genius. Best Daz shyt I've ever heard. "Mind Made Up" is a close 2nd.

Everything else solely attributed to Daz is subpar as fukk compared to those joints.

in recent years when he ain't bein' lazy and when he actually cares about the quality of his production

 

[I love Latina women]

Really? I know other big name producers like Timbaland, Jermaine Dupri, & etc. have notable collaborators that worked under or with them.

Also, does Diddy still credit himself as a producer like he did in the 90's? I went back & listened to some Bad Boy singles from the early-mid 2000's and I noticed Mario Winans was getting producer credit without any mention of Diddy.



@stomachlines

i haven't kept with diddy enough in the mid 2000s to really know. i stop checkin' for his production work once the 2000s came around

 

[I love Latina women]

I'd call that marketing genius. Everyone knew dre had the hottest beats at the time. Dude literally stacked like 5 albums full from nwa to the chronic. I'm sure daz was rewarded handsomely. Dre just got burnt out man...if any one can posta daz interview talking bad about dre I'd be really surprised

yeah man, it happens. no one is immune to not gettin' burnt out.
by the time the chronic came around, i'm sure dre was on some "what i'm do now?" after leavin' ruthless records
now he still had a writer in the d.o.c. which was a blessin' and he played a huge role as well. but see, this is where guys like chis "the glove" taylor (who'd been around since n.w.a.'s 100 miles and runnin' ep) and fresh minds like daz and warren g come in at. plus, dre was also knew the sound that above the law had with g funk before he left ruthless records, which he himself had started doin' while hangin' around them when they was all at ruthless records

back then, daz was probably just happy to be around someone like dr. dre and actually in a studio doin' what he loves, makin' music. he won't thinkin' bout no business, makin' sure he got full credit or none of that. he doin' what he loves and makin' some money, smokin' weed, chillin' with his homies etc.. not knowin' that these 2 albums he contributin' too will be 2 of the most popular and influential hip hop albums of all time. plus, they was probably lookin' at the situation on some ol' "well dre put us in the game and we lucky to even have this opportunity, let's just get paid what they say we owed and we'll call it even" but that's not how it really should be. i don't care who puts who on, everyone should be credited correctly for the work they contributed to each project and or song

 

[I love Latina women]

It would look like some "no name producer" should get even more work. They didn't need Dr. Dre to sell a Snoop Dogg album at that point. Given the chemistry, Dr. Dre wasn't even featured on Snoop's singles despite them having success with "Dre Day", "Deep Cover", and "Nuthin' But A G Thang". That's if they really needed Dre as a name. They had nothing to lose giving full production credit to Daz. If it was just name branding they needed, they could've credited the "no name" as a producer and had Dr. Dre as the executive producer.

they lookin' at it like "this is dr. dre". he put us in the game and he the one who came from n.w.a.; they probably was like we lucky to even be around him. whatever he say is cool, we cool with. we just happy to be workin' alongside this man. and then too, people like daz and warren g was just happy to be doin' what they loved, makin' music and chillin' with they homies and not havin' to be on the street caught up in some bullshyt.

if they had nothin' to lose in regards to givin' full credit to daz then they should have. but regardless of that, whoever did the work for whatever song and or project should always received full credit for what they do and or contribute. it's only right

Maybe because all he did is program drums. That doesn't mean he produced the song.

that maybe but i don't think that was always the case. i'm sure daz like warren g bought ideas to the table. it was more of a team effort with a dr. dre "yah" or "nah" with the final say so and with him obviously overseein' and supervisin' the project. but i believe guys like daz and warren bought more to the table than they got credit for

daz mentioned on how he put together the murder was the case movie/cover was, right at 3:48 mark of this interview

 

[Pazzy]

DJ Yella.

Dre will always get co-production credits, but he just tells what the other man to do. He has no actual talent in playing any instruments. He thinks of a sound in his head and tells other people what to do.

Thats what Diddy does.

 

[I love Latina women]

When Dre left Yella gave us these classics, that's what the fucc happened to Yella.

Sit down.

he produced these too

 

[Heelish]

@ OP not being convinced when Pac and Suge said it, but being all when NORE says it