NSA Whistle-Blower Tells All - Op-Docs: The Program

[newworldafro]

so the National Security Agency complies information on americans :thinking:

wow i had no idea, tell me more :thinking:

Yeah...you didn't watch the video either....

 

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That's makes him a looney toon nut job though right???? according to the other thread right ???

The irony of both these threads is the NYTimes post this video in 2012 with this guy with all his legitimacy, and then NYTimes post an article in 2013 saying people that espouse this alternative thinking are drama kings and looking to latch on to something to make sense of something....yada yada yada.... hilarious...

If he starts believing in the other random popular conspiracies out there...then yes he would be considered a nut job to me.

"Alternative thinkers" are drama queens that's the whole point of conspiracy thinking. You just HAVE to take the complexity of reality, or things that don't occur fluidly, into a bullsh!t simplistic narrative in order to make sense of it.

 

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Yeah...you didn't watch the video either....

I mean that's what the whole video is really about.

 

[newworldafro]

If he starts believing in the other random popular conspiracies out there...then yes he would be considered a nut job to me.

"Alternative thinkers" are drama queens that's the whole point of conspiracy thinking. You just HAVE to take the complexity of reality, or things that don't occur fluidly, into a bullsh!t simplistic narrative in order to make sense of it.

so the threshold is only one or two alternative viewpoints, and there no connections beyond those one or two .... ...... oh ok...... thanks for that clarification .......

 

[newworldafro]

I mean that's what the whole video is really about.

Yall don't history or your Bill of Rights, so I can't debate you properly breh(s) .... or I guess the past 10+ years of current events you were to young or just not really paying attention to know what was going on (and yes it was in the MSM) ...... ... so ......

So I don't know what else to say honestly ... I'm done ... good thread OP.....

 

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so the threshold is only one or two alternative viewpoints, and there no connections beyond those one or two .... ...... oh ok...... thanks for that clarification .......

The threshold is before you spend every waking hour and day reading and assessing news from alternative media thinking everything from those B.S. outlets must all be a fact.

My argument is that though William Binney may have some qualms and reservations about the practices that the NSA department implements his conclusive belief of this being a process towards authoritarian West Germany Soviet structure is not necessarily proven as factual truth.

If he also starts spreading crap about Rothschild's owning the Federal Reserve then I might have to assess the "kookie meter".

 

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Yall don't history or your Bill of Rights, so I can't debate you properly breh(s) .... or I guess the past 10+ years of current events you were to young or just not really paying attention to know what was going on (and yes it was in the MSM) ...... ... so ......

So I don't know what else to say honestly ... I'm done ... good thread OP.....

Like I said earlier:

You can debate the constitutionality of NSA spying and wire-tapping all you like but that doesn't necessitate this is all a colluded plan to bring out an authoritarian dictator to control Americans.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

lol, Barack and Eric Dudley finna 3D this fool right into a prison cell.

 

[Kid McNamara]

The General is swagged out.

 

[Type Username Here]

hey man, look in terms of collecting personal information, I'm one of those ppl that absolutely does not care

my viewpoints would be ignorant to someone like you or @Type Username Here, but I personally do not care if the NSA knows everything down to the color boxers I'm wearing. I just don't. I'm a nobody right now. I have no political affiliation. I'm not trying to run for office. I'm not trying to be a public face. I have nothing to gain or lose with my personal information being out there. I simply don't. My life, in the grand scheme of the world, is nothing. Take it. As long as my credit isn't ruined. As long as my quality of life does not suffer. I. Do not. Care.

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't give them the right to do it to individuals who DO care.

It goes back to something I once read about people and privacy: everyone has their limits on what constitutes privacy.

Would you mind for example taking a shyt in a public street while people are watching? What about the NSA giving you cavity searches randomly? I'm sure you have your limits. Some us just place the limits differently than you do.

 

[Kid McNamara]

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't give them the right to do it to individuals who DO care.

It goes back to something I once read about people and privacy: everyone has their limits on what constitutes privacy.

Would you mind for example taking a shyt in a public street while people are watching? What about the NSA giving you cavity searches randomly? I'm sure you have your limits. Some us just place the limits differently than you do.

So all that matters to you are your limits? We live in a society, you may be forced to sacrifice personal limits for the greater good (however we as a society define it).

All of you who are upset about this, please explain why? What are you afraid of the NSA doing?

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't give them the right to do it to individuals who DO care.

It goes back to something I once read about people and privacy: everyone has their limits on what constitutes privacy.

Would you mind for example taking a shyt in a public street while people are watching? What about the NSA giving you cavity searches randomly? I'm sure you have your limits. Some us just place the limits differently than you do.

And that's fair to feel that way about it.

But I also think about, this agency that pulls millions and millions of data of personal information from individuals, how much is carefully and thoroughly monitored? Are they really monitoring EVERY single person in this country and is it even possible to monitor EVERY single person all at once?

I just think it would be wasteful on their time to monitor data of personal information of a regular Joe Schmo compared to say someone looking on ways to build a pipe-bomb or pressure cooker. Or someone affiliated with a radical organization/group that intends to carry out some type of terrorist plot?

 

[Type Username Here]

So all that matters to you are your limits? We live in a society, you may be forced to sacrifice personal limits for the greater good (however we as a society define it).

I'm sorry, did we put this up to a vote? I must have missed it. Did we amend the constitution?

All polls clearly demonstrate that the MAJORITY of the population are against these intrusions.

All of you who are upset about this, please explain why? What are you afraid of the NSA doing?

I understand most people aren't even somewhat familiar with political philosophy (which is not the same thing as politics), but it goes like this:

People are inherently free to do whatever they wish, be it good or bad. You have just as much right to steal and kill as you do to love and be peaceful. Upon entering a social contract to establish living together in a society, the governed provide authority to be governed, and in exchange for the compromising of certain freedoms, we expect a system that fairly gauges and provides a course to take away certain freedoms. Therefore, the governed sets limits and restrictions on the government.

A very basic restriction, found in various governments for centuries upon centuries, is that people should not be labeled criminals and treated as such without a proper forum to address such accusations.

When the government uses the National Security Agency, or any other legal/judicial entity, to document and violate my privacy (and violate the constitution), they have neither provided me with an opportunity to file my grievances, or address the accusatory nature of their actions.

 

[Type Username Here]

And that's fair to feel that way about it.

But I also think about, this agency that pulls millions and millions of data of personal information from individuals, how much is carefully and thoroughly monitored? Are they really monitoring EVERY single person in this country and is it even possible to monitor EVERY single person all at once?

I just think it would be wasteful on their time to monitor data of personal information of a regular Joe Schmo compared to say someone looking on ways to build a pipe-bomb or pressure cooker. Or someone affiliated with a radical organization/group that intends to carry out some type of terrorist plot?

You see my friend, it's a spectrum.

Would you be in favor of just arresting everyone and throwing them into a prison cell? Why not? Surely you would increase the probability of capturing criminals by rounding up massive amounts of the population?

Why don't you advocate that?

 

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You see my friend, it's a spectrum.

Would you be in favor of just arresting everyone and throwing them into a prison cell? Why not? Surely you would increase the probability of capturing criminals by rounding up massive amounts of the population?

Why don't you advocate that?

No I wouldn't be in favor of such measure.

But in terms of spying on someone and arresting someone are two different circumstances.

Imprisoning someone already subdues and restrains them. For the most part, the need to spy would become null and pointless.