Obama Getting Chumped By Putin

[HollowPoints2]

1. you use russian propaganda websites as your source on US foreign policy?.....sputnik news lol

2. it's only 3 years after a complete revolution and removal of a dictator. libya is closer to having a functioning government and UN seat than 3 years ago. How fast do you expect governments to be formed and become 100% functional?

3. the NATO resolution that sealed khaddafi's fate cannot be placed solely on the U.S. hands.... Russia and the rest of europe had as much veto power as we did...

1.Go fyck yourself. I can say you're using propaganda from an obama website.Typical bull shyt!Attack the source instead of the facts.

2. You have no evidence that points to Libya having a functioning government. As a matter of fact, they are still killing black Africans like it's a sport. Is that functioning to you ?Moreover, reconstruction in Libya has not even taken place after the bombardment of western aircraft on many of the major cities in Libya. How can you have a functioning government when there are multiple militia groups within Libya fighting for power? Do you know what functioning means? Fyck outta here.

3. Do you know how many bombs the US dropped on Libya during the overthrow of Kadafi? If I told you that America dropped the most when compared to other NATO countries would you accept that? Obama's number one goal during that time was to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi without considering the long-term implications that we see today in Libya.

Thanks Obama.

 

[Savvir]

1.Go fyck yourself. I can say you're using propaganda from an obama website.Typical bull shyt!Attack the source instead of the facts.

2. You have no evidence that points to Libya having a functioning government. As a matter of fact, they are still killing black Africans like it's a sport. Is that functioning to you ? In fact, reconstruction in Libya has not even taken place after the bombardment of western aircraft on many of the major cities in Libya. How can you have a functioning government when there are multiple militia groups within Libya fighting for power? Do you know the functioning means? Fyck outta here.

3. Do you know how many bombs the US dropped on Libya during the overthrow of Kadafi? If I told you that America dropped the most when compared to other NATO countries would you accept that? Obama's number one goal during that time was to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi without considering the long-term implications that we see today in Libya.

Thanks Obama.

1. I've never linked to an "obama website" I don't even know what that is supposed to mean? Using well known propaganda outlets as a source is cause for concern. Why even cite a source when the source is unreliable? Your outbursts of anger show how this topic is not about the facts, but only about your emotional investment in the subject. I'm starting to doubt your sincerity.

2. You do know when i say "closer to having a functioning government" that means they don't have one yet. If you weren't so angry you would be able to comprehend what I say instead of focusing on how you feel about what I'm saying.

3. I think the longterm implications were considered. Any person in the government would know that there would be instability, fighting factions, civilian deaths.... we've got quite a bit of experience with those things from the last 14 years...... I think you don't understand the reality of our foreign policy. The U.S. foreign policy is not about spreading rainbows and butterflies. It's about the progression of U.S. influence on the geopolitical stage. U.S. influence in the middle east has grown exponentially, while Russia's Influence has declined... period.

The details of fighting and whatever don't matter much if you consider the fact that there would have been civil war... and when the civilian deaths and fighting is done... the same anti-west government would stand. The fact of the matter is that being the defacto superpower puts us in a position to not be isolationist... we can and will be involved in situations that are horrible, unjust, and inhumane... but the military industrial complex will expand it's influence.... I don't see how the situations in Syria or libya are contrary to this point.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

How is russias military commitment to syria a great chess move?

1. The war started when Assad was murdering protestors
2. Russia has been supporting Assad since before the war. It's only when russia saw the possibility of Assad actually losing that they had to commit to the whole situation.

Every move russia is making is defensive... from Crimea to Syria...

Since when are defensive moves not good chess moves?

This is a move the U.S can't actually counter. Russia isn't on the defense more than they just don't interfere with countries outside of their sphere, just like every other country on the planet.This is the first time in almost 30 years, and it threw everyone off, everyone were so used to the U.S bombing away with impunity, and this time the Russians came in at a perfect time when none could oppose it.

You call the moves in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria good chess moves? They're all in shambles, it looks like a blind elephant rampaged through the region that didn't know wtf it was doing, like a child with a dangerous gun, a bumbling fool who didn't know the historical complexities of the region they interfered in. Who the fukk are we bombing? Who the fukk are we supporting? If Assad is removed, what is the post-war plan. THERE IS NONE. AGAIN!

Fool me once.....

 

[Savvir]

Since when are defensive moves not good chess moves?

This is a move the U.S can't actually counter. Russia isn't on the defense more than they just don't interfere with countries outside of their sphere, just like every other country on the planet.This is the first time in almost 30 years, and it threw everyone off, everyone were so used to the U.S bombing away with impunity, and this time the Russians came in at a perfect time when none could oppose it.

You call the moves in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria good chess moves? They're all in shambles, it looks like a blind elephant that didn't know wtf it was doing, like a child with a dangerous gun.

1. The defensive moves are done just to maintain what they had before.... they have to devote money and military for no gain....

2. Theres no need to counter anything in Syria.... Russia has more to gain and lose than we do...
like I said...

if shyt hits the fan for us, the U.S. shrugs and focuses efforts on other conflicts
if shyt hits the fan them, Russia loses a strategic military base, a puppet government, and their monopoly on european energy gets threatened

3. I have been specifically talking about Libya and Syria in this thread... trying to throw each of those nations into the discussion is lazy. You have to address the unique situations in each. And for the record I don't believe iraq/afghanistan was a good decision... but I see how that decision will be an asset in America's longterm influence on the middle east (50-100 years timeline)

 

[Tommy Knocks]

1. The defensive moves are done just to maintain what they had before.... they have to devote money and military for no gain....

2. Theres no need to counter anything in Syria.... Russia has more to gain and lose than we do...
like I said...

if shyt hits the fan for us, the U.S. shrugs and focuses efforts on other conflicts
if shyt hits the fan them, Russia loses a strategic military base, a puppet government, and their monopoly on european energy gets threatened

3. I have been specifically talking about Libya and Syria in this thread... trying to throw each of those nations into the discussion is lazy. You have to address the unique situations in each. And for the record I don't believe iraq/afghanistan was a good decision... but I see how that decision will be an asset in America's longterm influence on the middle east (50-100 years timeline)

ISIS is a direct response to the involvement and losing its in the region. ISIS whooping Iraq so bad they had to call up the Iranians for support, Libya now a breeding ground for Al Quada (soon ISIS), you can't just fukk up regions than shrug off you idiot, there's something called blow back, that's exactly what happened in 911 except this time ISIS is the mutant spawn with U.S weapons and training and a region war hardened and sick and tired. Lets not even get into the refugees. You're the one being lazy talkinga bout "focus effort on other conflicts" we currently have 4 (6 if you include Asia and Yemen), thats why its relevant to the discussions to name Libya. It isn't any different. A dictator fired on his own people, we backed the rebels, rebels achieve goal, extremist (whom btw hate us) step and take over, now you have instability and places where Taliban like warloards can set up shop for the next 911. Its completely stupid, these dictators are moderate and dont have any eyes on America, Assad and Kaddafi are no threats to us, but when we remove them, we are ultimately replacing them with threats. how stupid is that???

Russia being defensive, again, isn't a bad move, it saves money and creates less enemies, we should probably learn from that.

 

[HollowPoints2]

1. I've never linked to an "obama website" I don't even know what that is supposed to mean? Using well known propaganda outlets as a source is cause for concern. Why even cite a source when the source is unreliable? Your outbursts of anger show how this topic is not about the facts, but only about your emotional investment in the subject. I'm starting to doubt your sincerity.

2. You do know when i say "closer to having a functioning government" that means they don't have one yet. If you weren't so angry you would be able to comprehend what I say instead of focusing on how you feel about what I'm saying.

3. I think the longterm implications were considered. Any person in the government would know that there would be instability, fighting factions, civilian deaths.... we've got quite a bit of experience with those things from the last 14 years...... I think you don't understand the reality of our foreign policy. The U.S. foreign policy is not about spreading rainbows and butterflies. It's about the progression of U.S. influence on the geopolitical stage. U.S. influence in the middle east has grown exponentially, while Russia's Influence has declined... period.

The details of fighting and whatever don't matter much if you consider the fact that there would have been civil war... and when the civilian deaths and fighting is done... the same anti-west government would stand. The fact of the matter is that being the defacto superpower puts us in a position to not be isolationist... we can and will be involved in situations that are horrible, unjust, and inhumane... but the military industrial complex will expand it's influence.... I don't see how the situations in Syria or libya are contrary to this point.

1. Obama spent over 500 million to train 5 Syrian fighters to defeat Isis however the people trained have either fled the fighting, have been captured or are dead.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/1...rogram-islamic-state-syria.html?referer=&_r=0

2. Libya isn't anywhere closer to building a functioning government than they were the day after MOMAR Khadafi was overthrown stop kidding yourself. Black Africans are being routinely killed execution style if they are not rounded up. According to you, thats functional. Where is the reconstruction in Libya? Do you know how much destruction took place in that country?

3. How can you say long-term implications were considered when Libya is still a shyt hole three years after Moammar Qaddafi has been overthrown? Obama did not clearly think this through before he decided to overthrow Gaddafi. As a result, we have a dysfunctional country that will be just like Somalia where nobody can control. But according to you, Obama the king did a fantastic job and can never do any wrong.

fukk outta here.

That's why Putin who was a good friend of Moammar Gadhafi is stepping in now which explains why he will not let Syria go down the same way.

 

[Savvir]

ISIS is a direct response to the involvement and losing its in the region. ISIS whooping Iraq so bad they had to call up the Iranians for support, Libya now a breeding ground for Al Quada (soon ISIS), you can't just fukk up regions than shrug off you idiot, there's something called blow back, that's exactly what happened in 911 except this time ISIS is the mutant spawn with U.S weapons and training and a region war hardened and sick and tired. Lets not even get into the refugees. You're the one being lazy talkinga bout "focus effort on other conflicts" we currently have 4 (6 if you include Asia and Yemen), thats why its relevant to the discussions to name Libya. It isn't any different. A dictator fired on his own people, we backed the rebels, rebels achieve goal, extremist (whom btw hate us) step and take over, now you have instability and places where Taliban like warloards can set up shop for the next 911. Its completely stupid, these dictators are moderate and dont have any eyes on America, Assad and Kaddafi are no threats to us, but when we remove them, we are ultimately replacing them with threats. how stupid is that???

Russia being defensive, again, isn't a bad move, it saves money and creates less enemies, we should probably learn from that.

1. We should learn from Russia? So that's like saying letting a nation invade mexico and destabilize the government and let religious militants prosper...That's a great situation?

Then it's a great move to have to devote resources to try to stabilize mexico? .... that's the great geopolitical thinking you want the U.S. to follow? Allow your competitors to destabilize countries in your region which in turn threatens your military projection and energy exports?

2. the U.S. has been fukking up regions and shrugging them off for decades/centuries. The blowback is a few thousand dead americans... the gain is global military and political superiority.. the military industrial complex doesn't have emotons... it's not about spreading rainbows and butterflies...

ask yourself the real question.

Does the U.S. have more geopolitical influence in the middle east now than it did 2 years ago?

If the answer is yes, you will understand why there is so much going on that appears to be chaos.

 

[Savvir]

1. Obama spent over 500 million to train 5 Syrian fighters to defeat Isis however the people trained have either fled the fighting, have been captured or are dead.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/1...rogram-islamic-state-syria.html?referer=&_r=0

2. Libya isn't anywhere closer to building a functioning government than they were the day after MOMAR Khadafi was overthrown stop kidding yourself. Black Africans are being routinely killed execution style if they are not rounded up. According to you, thats functional. Where is the reconstruction in Libya? Do you know how much destruction took place in that country?

3. How can you say long-term implications were considered when Libya is still a shyt hole three years after Moammar Qaddafi has been overthrown? Obama did not clearly think this through before he decided to overthrow Gaddafi. As a result, we have a dysfunctional country that will be just like Somalia where nobody can control. But according to you, Obama the king did a fantastic job and can never do any wrong.

fukk outta here.

That's why Putin who was a good friend of Moammar Gadhafi is stepping in now which explains why he will not let Syria go down the same way.

1. from the article you posted: "The Obama administration on Friday abandoned its efforts to build up a new rebel force inside Syria to combat the Islamic State, acknowledging the failure of its $500 million campaign to train thousands of fighters and announcing that it will instead use the money to provide ammunition and some weapons for groups already engaged in the battle."

you do realize the $500million is the budget not the money already spent right? Regardless its well known the training has been a failure. I never argued this point.

2. Libya recognised parliament delays decision on UN plan you need to read up on the current situation in libya

3. When did I praise obama or say anybody did a "fantastic job"? I merely stated the obvious goal of the military industrial complex and how each move fits into that narrative. You take politics too personal and are too easily swayed by propaganda.

 

[King Ming]

i think Obama is doing the right thing to stay out of that hell hole.

Plus all the attention of the Suicide bomber/ Al kaeda/ ISIS and all them psychos will now be after mother russia

 

[CashmereThoughts]

we get it, you're republican

Rublican because he admits Obama is weak AF in foreign policy. Obama is the the least respected president by other regimes in our lifetime and our parents lifetime and it's because he has no spine

 

[marcuz]

Rublican because he admits Obama is weak AF in foreign policy. Obama is the the least respected president by other regimes in our lifetime and our parents lifetime and it's because he has no spine

and yet there's been 0 attacks on US soil during his two terms. also, globally, the US has been viewed more favorably under obama. so miss me with that least respected shyt until another nation tries us.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

and yet there's been 0 attacks on US soil during his two terms. also, globally, the US has been viewed more favorably under obama. so miss me with that least respected shyt until another nation tries us.

How often have attacks happened on us soil in the last 2.5 decades

Your attributing no attacks in the last 7 years to Obama .

We talking about foreign policy, we talking about how Obama has no teeth. If you can't see that your either are not paying attention to his interaction with the Middle East/Russia or your just another "I'm going to support my back president" dikk taster

And you can thank HARRY S TRUMAN for other nations not tryna fukk arkund with them fukkarounds

 

[Maschine_Man]

The US needs to stop worrying about Assad and worry about ISIS

 

[sportscribe]

the Obama government is not "acting timid" .... it's respecting the fact that the American people don't want another war...

They are doing exactly what they are supposed to...

The thing is, Russia was doing the exact same thing and knew it wasn't working so they committed fully...

They have more to lose and more to gain than we do in that region...along with less political opposition to get involved...

Their level of involvement can't be directly compared to ours because the situation is very different from our end..

If all goes to hell, we shrug and focus on dealing with iraq...
if all goes to hell, Russia loses a puppet government, a strategic military base, and their dominance over the energy market in europe gets challenged....

Americans don't want another war, but America is still involved in the conflict by proxy. America is still arming rebel militias who are defecting to jihadist factions. America is still bombing Isis targets in Iraq and Syria.

I agree that America should stay clear of Syria, but the fact is that America is a geopolitical leader and bears a degree of responsibility for the power vacuum in Iraq. America has to be involved in the conflict in one way or another.

Whether you have been paying attention or not, majority of Americans are actually not only in support of the country's proxy war, but also sending troops on the ground:
Release Detail

Americans also feel that the US has not done enough concerning Isis as they have continue to gain more territory. So as I stated previously, from a PR stance, Putin is showing up Obama.

A lot of people are a little naive, so I will attempt to elucidate a few things. America does not go into wars that it cannot benefit economically from. Dating back to WWII America was selling weapons to its allies before finally joining the war. You don't remain the world power by not having economic motives behind your foreign policy decisions. If you want to understand why America (and its allies) will be continue to be involved in this conflict, just look at these two proposed gas pipelines:

Qatar-Turkey pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can draw your own conclusions from that.

 

[Reflected]

Deflecting much?

The Russian economy good or bad has nothing to do with Barack Obama backing down from Putin when he demanded U.S fighter planes stay out of northern Syria while Russian bombers decided to conduct air strikes.

@Barnett114

You bytch azz niqqa.

Negg me all you want I'm already in the hole.

I'm not arguing in favor of Obama. I just can't help but notice that majority of the people that ever argue in favor of Putin are Americans, mainly Americans on internet forums. Every Russian I ever spoke to finds it hilarious that Americans can look at Putin as some tough guy while their people suffer from poverty.