Obama plans to take on gerrymandering post-presidency

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This is what you said....

"So you guys bullshyt ass red herring claim that the "only" way Obama could or that I suggested he could effect change is through signing laws is ridiculous. He's the fukking president, he can make things happen in a bunch of different ways that don't involve going through Congress or even anything federal."

I read perfectly well what you said. My question in response was...

"So tell us how Obama could convince Republican-ran legislatures to redraw their districts to allow Democrats to pick up more seats in way that don't involve Congress or anything federal. We're listening."

I'm still waiting on an answer.

Lawsuits like the one in NC. Ballot initiatives like they have in AZ, CA and a lot of other key battleground states. Working harder to boost Democratic turnout to get Dems in local legislature to initiate redistricting efforts. Fighting the bullshyt discriminatory voting ID laws and making it easier for people to get to the polls in general. Yadda yadda. There are a bunch of different things that could and SHOULD have been done before the GOP takeover as now the Dems have it that much harder now.

So I answered your question, now you answer mine.... what the fukk can Obama and the Dems do now that they couldn't have done with him in office and the Dems in control of Congress + local legislatures???????

 

[hashmander]

well obama will have one thing he didn't have before: time. basically your argument isn't that he should use his power as president (because he has none in this area), he should use his name. well he can still use his name when he's out of the white house.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Lawsuits like the one in NC. Ballot initiatives like they have in AZ, CA and a lot of other key battleground states. Working harder to boost Democratic turnout to get Dems in local legislature to initiate redistricting efforts. Fighting the bullshyt discriminatory voting ID laws and making it easier for people to get to the polls in general. Yadda yadda. There are a bunch of different things that could and SHOULD have been done before the GOP takeover as now the Dems have it that much harder now.

So Obama should've done all that...personally pushed lawsuits and ballot initiatives state-by-state that would prevent the GOP from re-drawing district maps...in his first 2 years while trying to save the economy from recession, pass healthcare reform, inheriting 2 wars,etc. Just stop.

The DOJ is fighting voter ID laws now and have been since Obama got in. That doesn't really have anything to do with this. Voters didn't turn out and they lost the House, period. They didn't lose because of voter ID laws. You don't have the answers. There was nothing Obama could do to stop gerrymandering after Repubs took over the House and governorships.

So I answered your question, now you answer mine.... what the fukk can Obama and the Dems do now that they couldn't have done with him in office and the Dems in control of Congress + local legislatures???????

Read the article. Some of the stuff you already said in this very post is going to be worked on. The point is tackling gerrymandering is a long game that requires a concerted and sustained effort nationwide. There's no magic bullet to stop elected officials from drawing their own districts, which they have the constitutional power to do.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Gerrymandering doesn't affect the House?

And a president with the power to push, leverage for, sign and veto bills into law has a lot more power over gerrymandering, which is a national issue, than some random dude "fighting it at a grassroots level". If Obama felt "fighting at a grassroots level" was the most effective way to get shyt done, he would have stayed at the grassroots level instead of becoming fukking president

The mental gymnastics you are going through are quite impressive I give this a 9 out of 10 on the exculpatory bullshyt scale

Again...why aren't ya'll holding the CBC accountable?

 

[coupercoli]

The Democratic Party advanced and fought for the preservation of slavery so it makes sense that they would use Obama to further their agenda to blind the masses and advance white supremacy like they did when they paraded Nat Turner around different plantations to keep slaves subservient

you are stupid.

This is a true leader.

facts.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Should have kept the fire going with Organizing for America, Barry.

Missed the boat in 2010.

2020 is just around the corner

 

[Dr. Acula]

Gerrymandering doesn't affect the House?

And a president with the power to push, leverage for, sign and veto bills into law has a lot more power over gerrymandering, which is a national issue, than some random dude "fighting it at a grassroots level". If Obama felt "fighting at a grassroots level" was the most effective way to get shyt done, he would have stayed at the grassroots level instead of becoming fukking president

The mental gymnastics you are going through are quite impressive I give this a 9 out of 10 on the exculpatory bullshyt scale

gerrymandering is the result of STATE districts being redrawn for political advantage. Redistricting is a STATE issue. Nothing to do with the federal government per the constitution, by design.

You seem to be totally ignoring the 10th amendment here also.


President isn't king.

 

[How Sway?]

its a huge problem here in NC.
When I lived In greensboro I was sharing a congressional district with neighborhoods all the way in Charlotte,

yet a mile away was a totally different district(and the people are mostly of a particular persuasion too ) .

 

[88m3]

Caliphate is taking too long but we're so close

 

[CACtain Planet]

you are stupid.
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Tell me what's fiction in that post:Petty:

 

[Misanthrope]

Why is Obama doing this at the grassroots level? Because that's the way Republicans did it, and if you actually break the system and end gerrymandering, then you can't gerrymander things your way.

Look what the republicans got done with a grass-roots effort.
The RSLC Redistricting Majority Project – REDMAP

Conclusion

After REDMAP’s success on Election Day 2010, Republicans held majorities in 10 of the 15 states that gained or lost U.S. House seats and where the legislature played a role in redrawing the state legislative and congressional district map. In the 70 congressional districts that were labeled by National Public Radio as “competitive” in 2010, Republicans controlled the redrawing of at least 47 of those districts; Democrats were responsible for 15, and a non-partisan process determined eight.

REDMAP’s effect on the 2012 election is plain when analyzing the results: Pennsylvanians cast 83,000 more votes for Democratic U.S. House candidates than their Republican opponents, but elected a 13-5 Republican majority to represent them in Washington; Michiganders cast over 240,000 more votes for Democratic congressional candidates than Republicans, but still elected a 9-5 Republican delegation to Congress. Nationwide, Republicans won 54 percent of the U.S. House seats, along with 58 of 99 state legislative chambers, while winning only 8 of 33 U.S. Senate races and carrying only 47.8 percent of the national presidential vote.

 

[Aufheben]

you nikkas act like the only power a president has comes from creating laws

the president is the most important person in the world. if he comes out with a fukking article in the times or gives a story to a journalist about how he wants to change gerrymandering and wants to encourage citizens to get informed and start mass movements to come out against this practice then it would have a massive effect

i swear when people talk about obama's numerous inactions on pressing issues you would swear he was the most powerless guy in the us...all of a sudden he can't influence anything and has no power

if that's the case then why is trump so effective in influencing and spreading alt right politics yet he isn't even apart of the govt...making change doesn't only come from legal shyt

bottom line is obama clearly wasn't that interested in highlighting his issues with gerrymandering during his presidency, just like he wasn't very concerned with reducing income inequality and wealth gaps for black people...or simply even showing the black community respect

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

gerrymandering is the result of STATE districts being redrawn for political advantage. Redistricting is a STATE issue. Nothing to do with the federal government per the constitution, by design.

You seem to be totally ignoring the 10th amendment here also.


President isn't king.

President is the de facto head of their party

He can direct said party to prioritize not getting their clock cleaned and districts stolen at the local level. He did not have to wait. This is the point @Mephistopheles and other Obama dikk riders don't have an answer for.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

President is the de facto head of their party

He can direct said party to prioritize not getting their clock cleaned and districts stolen at the local level. He did not have to wait. This is the point @Mephistopheles and other Obama dikk riders don't have an answer for.

Lol...so acknowledging the reality of state law under the Constitution is being an Obama dikkrider?

You sound stupid and clueless. There is nothing Obama could due to stop gerrymandering in 2010. You can't even say what he could have done. You're just like "Uh uh he was the president."

fukk is he supposed to do? Say "Republican state legislatures please don't re-draw your districts, I don't like that"? You're getting embarrassed in this thread. You should stop posting in it.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

you nikkas act like the only power a president has comes from creating laws

the president is the most important person in the world. if he comes out with a fukking article in the times or gives a story to a journalist about how he wants to change gerrymandering and wants to encourage citizens to get informed and start mass movements to come out against this practice then it would have a massive effect

i swear when people talk about obama's numerous inactions on pressing issues you would swear he was the most powerless guy in the us...all of a sudden he can't influence anything and has no power

if that's the case then why is trump so effective in influencing and spreading alt right politics yet he isn't even apart of the govt...making change doesn't only come from legal shyt

bottom line is obama clearly wasn't that interested in highlighting his issues with gerrymandering during his presidency, just like he wasn't very concerned with reducing income inequality and wealth gaps for black people...or simply even showing the black community respect

Yeah Obama could just write an article or talk to journalists and that would make Republicans give up their own seats.

Obama couldn't get Republicans to not invoke the filibuster for pretty much anything he supported post-2010.

He did a primetime speech to try and pass a jobs bill called THE AMERICAN JOBS BILL during a period of high unemployment that was praised by everyone. It didn't sway one Republican in either house of Congress.

But somehow he could've convinced 50 state legislatures mostly ran by obstructionist tea party Republicans to not act in their own self-interest and gerrymander....because he's like the president and stuff.

This place is truly embarrassing sometimes.