Obama's Library will help Southside Chicago.....into gentrification.

[Buckeye Fever]

Bad example, south burbs got bad cuz they tore down the jects and handed everybody and they mama a section 8 voucher

Harvey, Dolton, Riverdale use to be beautiful middle class cities before all the section 8 jects nikkas moves in

Show some love to Robbins


Shout out to my cousin Ko-Cheeks

 

[Noriega]

Harvey has been hood since white flight and the factories closed in the 70s. All black ppl in Chicago know this

We have city and union jobs around my parts,what are these factories you speak of

@ab.aspectus How is Olympia fields and homewood becoming shyt holes
Negworthy claims

 

[NoChillJones]

Nikka talking bout a lupe fiasco building

I'm talking a about a prestigious Library being built on Chicago's south side and how under any under pretenses this would be a positive thing for the city...........I mean Big Sean built a fukking movie theater and nikkas lost they minds. Here is a President building a library and you nikkas are bitter as fukk about it..........

 

[thekingsmen]

The low income black vs middle class debate in this thread is

 

[FLORIDA BOI]

The question is why should he be anything more? If you haven't figured out by now that in America you HAVE to learn to move in and out the white supremacy agenda in order to do anything that directly affects people of color, you don't really belong in the debate in the first place..........people who get off on saying Obama did nothing for black people typically don't know shyt about politics nor do they really know what policies were passed during his tenure. All the know is he didn't flat out say fukk whitey so he failed........when it takes way more finessing then that.....which he finessed plenty.........

In addition if nothing else has changed the pace of murders in Chicago's South Side why would anyone oppose the aspect of possible gentrification? I mean its not like the current situation is working. Outside of the aspect of more whites moving into the community, you also have more economic opportunity.

The con is alot of black families may be displaced, but the positive is that that gang culture is now uprooted and possibly forever disrupted. Cat's got to look at the bigger picture here..........

I agree with with this

for the people saying he is wrong for this

what was the right place?

 

[tater]

thanks for the link because i wasn't going to watch any video from that putin loving cac jimmy dore.

so let's establish what the obama project basically is: a museum, library, community center and a park. this isn't some residential development where you can make the developers set aside affordable housing or other investments in the community (like a community center) or building a stadium or arena. the biggest beef they have is that building something near them makes the neighborhood more desirable to outsiders who will then move in and push them out. worrying about your rent going up from $1k a month because someone either buys the property from your landlord or the landlord hikes the rent due to market forces is definitely a legitimate concern, but not one that the obama foundation can solve other than locating the project somewhere else. the fact that only 24% of woodlawn residents own their homes is the problem. if they had 80% homeownership they would be loving the increased desirability of their properties (for equity or sale), but a renter doesn't share those concerns.

and mostly minority owned firms (lakeside alliance) are constructing the project.

i agree 100% with the CBA expert from UC-Irvine here:


the neighborhood you rent in becoming more desirable to outsiders can only be prevented by not investing there in the first place.


this makes no sense. his campaign to get asbestos removed from your housing projects is not even remotely the same. if the obama project was a power plant or putting cell phone towers on your roof then i could see, but a library/community center/museum/park is not that.

I have no sympathy. Woodlawn had a program for LOW INCOME AND SECTION 8 residents to purchase homes last fiscal year. I went and talked to the woman running the program, she said not that many people applied or even inquired about it.

By the way. The area where the library is being built really won't displace people. They are building it where the are currently parks, a track and a football field.

The area where it is being built is Woodlawn which is adjacent to where obama lives in Hyde Park. That area is actually been up a and coming for a while. The reason there are so many renters on that area is also because the university of Chicago had expanded to that neighborhood from Hyde Park and there are as lot of students in the area. Try to buy a house there and it's expensive. But they have gorgeous old greystones in that area. It still borders some of the hood, so I would not pay that kinda money to live there when u could live in better neighborhoods cheaper.

There are still dirt cheap properties over there to buy. Two and three flats for sub 150-200k. People just don’t look at the resources available to them. I’m not going to keep dredging up sympathy for people that don’t want to help themselves then run to the government and whine.

These people know about gentrification and only a fool wouldn’t understand how it works. If you fail to see the writing on the wall then start packing your shyt up .

However, Jackson Park has million dollar mansions and there are many black homeowners in the area. So I don’t think this will be as extreme as everyone is making it out to be. Gentrification is not always done by white people.

Far south needs some more amenities before it becomes a hot bed for people to snatch up property. A lot of the areas are food deserts and aren’t close to public transport, so while it’s cool people need to jump on it. They’re already building the train more south, it’s obvious what will happen soon. There’s still time, so instead of whining about it make some changes.

I live in bronzeville and it’s still majority black, and the property values are still pretty high. I don’t think we’re going to see New York levels, especially after people have seen what’s going on there and in the humboldt areas. But I could also be wrong...

Either way I should be buying something in the next two years.

@beaniemac did you sell your house when you moved?

 

[Blackout]

Then chicagos black community handed it to em on a plate. I remember watching the documentary “The House I live in” - they actually had it touring the country at local YMCA’s

That was 6 years ago. It’s actually gotten a lot WORSE since then.

I’m against gentrification too but Obama’s right about negros being mad about his community center, even though it’s a black war zone as is right now

You didn’t say a solution

 

[invalid]

@ab.aspectus How is Olympia fields and homewood becoming shyt holes
Negworthy claims

If you weren't there in the 70's and 80's then it would be hard to understand the prestige that Olympia Fields had. Though Olympia Fields Country Club, along with Medinah and Onwentsia, are still regarded as being the most exclusive country clubs in the Chicagoland area. They now have a walmart supercenter on Lincoln and Western. A Save a Lot or something across the street. PLS and Check into Cash spots both there and at that intersection on Lincoln and Pulaski. Most of the businesses at the interesection have dried up. Homes in foreclosure in Maynegate and in my old neigbhorhood of Athena Park. And let's not even get into Rich Central. It's reflective of the demographic.

Homewood was always a bit more middle/working class as opposed to Olympia and Flossmoor being more upper middle. Take it from me bruh, its changed. This is coming from someone who knows when R Kelly's house used to be known as the McDonald's mansion before it was torn down. My parents and all my aunts, uncles and cousins attended Homewood Christian Academy and I have an aunt an uncle who were the first blacks to build homes in Flossmoor during the late 60's. My father's side came up from the south and settled in Chicago Heights in the 40's.

 

[Noriega]

@beaniemac The south burbs got plenty of public transit..Metra electric go all the way down to university park. Not to mention the pace bus lines

Plus further west toward oak forest and tinley you got Metra rock island

 

[invalid]

you make good points, but even if black middle class neighborhoods don't allow in low income blacks they still face decline because the children in these middle class neighborhoods still face economic obstacles that can easily push them back into poverty.

Agree, but that is a whole separate and more nuanced issue that possibly relates to black mainstream culture and socialization. We need solutions for that too. But I think the preservation and security of wealth is the most pressing issue. If for anything then for the transfer of wealth.

 

[hashmander]

I'm talking a about a prestigious Library being built on Chicago's south side and how under any under pretenses this would be a positive thing for the city...........I mean Big Sean built a fukking movie theater and nikkas lost they minds. Here is a President building a library and you nikkas are bitter as fukk about it..........

maybe it's because a movie theater doesn't make a neighborhood more desirable (just another place for the residents to consume entertainment). whereas this library/museum/community center/park project will bring prestige and make the neighborhood more desirable. valuable, desirable and prestige aren't words poor renters want to hear.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Exactly. This is why they can herd us like cattle in any old direction and we follow with big grins on our faces

THEY? They who?

 

[beenz]

@beaniemac The south burbs got plenty of public transit..Metra electric go all the way down to university park. Not to mention the pace bus lines

Plus further west toward oak forest and tinley you got Metra rock island

You know the metra electric is weak as hell running like once an hour and stopping service altogether early. And the pace bus service doesn't compare at all to the CTA. South suburban public transportation does not compare to anywhere in the city. And even some of the close suburbs like Skokie, Evanston and oak Park have CTA service. None of the south suburbs do.

 

[Poitier]

Yall will do anything to defend beloved Obama even flip gentrification into a good thing

 

[beenz]

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Far south needs some more amenities before it becomes a hot bed for people to snatch up property. A lot of the areas are food deserts and aren’t close to public transport, so while it’s cool people need to jump on it. They’re already building the train more south, it’s obvious what will happen soon. There’s still time, so instead of whining about it make some changes.

I live in bronzeville and it’s still majority black, and the property values are still pretty high. I don’t think we’re going to see New York levels, especially after people have seen what’s going on there and in the humboldt areas. But I could also be wrong...

Either way I should be buying something in the next two years.

@beaniemac did you sell your house when you moved?

Nope. I still have my place in Chatham. I'll be up there in a couple weeks actually. And my wife was there a couple weeks ago for work. I hope to move back within the next year or so.