the 50 state strategy also means electing conservative democrats in red states and they sure as hell won't pass the bernie purity test.
Official 2016 Democratic National Convention Thread
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we all aren't first timers. Some of us been following politics for many years. Its just the Bernie or Bust folks that are acting up.
I think when we are calling out 'Bernie Fans' it is implied that we are talking about the Bernie or Bust dummies.
Many of them are posting in this thread.
I myself was technically a Bernie fan but pragmatism ended up trumping everything and I support Hillary 100%. Government does not operate when idealism is at the forefront.
The younger generation often does not understand this, not because they arent smart, but because they are not experienced.
That's true but the last time the Dems had control of the Senate and House there was actual legislation passed as well as a budget
There has to be a counter to the Koch/Adelson funded narrative in many red states.
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By acting up I mean throwing a temper tantrum because Bernie didn't pull a Ted Cruz. But I agree with you, but I live in a swing state and been debating on Hillary or Jill since it was clear Bernie wasn't going to win the primary
I just saw a clip of some of the DNC
Having that spanish little girl up there
" I fear for my mommy and my daddy being taken away"
No shame what so ever from these folks
Pandering and heart string pulling
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
I prefer Trump to Clinton.
This is probably the most common refrain I hear from people when it comes to Trump, and for the life of me I cannot understand it. I watched every second of the Republican debates and every nationally televised speech Trump has given, and I can only surmise that most people's opinion of Trump is derived from cable news clips of his rowdy rallies and often ignorant supporters. I truly believe most people's thinking on this matter stops at "
Trump is the Republican nominee, and Republicans are racist, warmongering fatcats, so Trump must be a racist, warmongering fatcat." But if you've been following this process closely, you'd know that Trump ran an insurgent campaign and overturned almost every Republican orthodoxy on the way. His calls for an end to idiotic wars of foreign conquest, his anti-free trade screeds, his relative apathy towards christian conservatism and the evangelical base, his calls for a rejuvenation of America's failing inner cities, his refusal to engage in the LGBT bashing that stoke the culture wars, his brazen attacks on money in politics. These are all issues that Trump broke ground on. It's sad seeing brothers and sisters falling for Democratic Party identity politics racket. They tell us that "Trump is anti-illegal immigration, so he must be a racist" as if we're not on the front lines of the wage depression and job loss caused by rampant illegal immigration. You ask how can Trump appeal to non-white men, I ask you which demographics are disproportionately represented in underclass that suffers from these existing economic policies? Hint, it's not white men. They bring out black people like Cory Booker to try and pacify us and distract us with diversity politics. They say "Don't pay attention to the issues that are causing you to struggle! Don't listen to people who tell you that things are going wrong in America! America isn't such a bad place, look at how diverse we are!" I say it it doesn't matter what the person in power looks like, it matters what they do. And what have the Democratic (and Republican) policies done for you over the past 40 years? They've shipped your jobs away, opened up the borders so you compete with people used to starvation wages, spend billions of dollars on disastrous wars and hegemonic posturing that benefits only the defense contracting industry and subsidizes the military budget of allied nations that already have a robust social safety system, inflated the GDP while increasing wealth inequality, further wedded the banking complex to the political and economic spheres, and bolstered a rigged economy while normalizing corruption in the democratic process. I think Trump is perhaps the most insurgent candidate we've seen in our lifetime. I think he's campaigning on overturning a lot of America's norms when it comes to domestic and foreign policy, and a lot of people are scared of change. But I find the status quo so detestable that change is not to be feared, but welcomed.
People always claim that Trump has no policy outlines, so, and please don't neg me for this, I'm going to link you to Trump's own words outlining his policies and proposed fixes for the problems he believes America is facing.
If you want to know Trump's foreign policy outline, here it is: Read Trump's 'America First' Foreign Policy Speech
If you want to know Trump's domestic policy outline, here it is: Full transcript: Donald Trump's jobs plan speech
If you disagree with what he's saying and prefer Hillary's message, by all means go and vote for her. But don't just swallow media soundbites, be informed.
One of the realest statements of the night
Just heard on CNN some of them are still planning some type of half brained political hijacking to replace Kaine as V.P. Even Bernie's gotta be embarrassed by these morons at this point
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Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
I prefer Trump to Clinton.
This is probably the most common refrain I hear from people when it comes to Trump, and for the life of me I cannot understand it. I watched every second of the Republican debates and every nationally televised speech Trump has given, and I can only surmise that most people's opinion of Trump is derived from cable news clips of his rowdy rallies and often ignorant supporters. I truly believe most people's thinking on this matter stops at "
It's sad seeing brothers and sisters falling for Democratic Party identity politics racket. They tell us that "Trump is anti-illegal immigration, so he must be a racist" as if we're not on the front lines of the wage depression and job loss caused by rampant illegal immigration. You ask how can Trump appeal to non-white men, I ask you which demographics are disproportionately represented in underclass that suffers from these existing economic policies? Hint, it's not white men. They bring out black people like Cory Booker to try and pacify us and distract us with diversity politics. They say "Don't pay attention to the issues that are causing you to struggle! Don't listen to people who tell you that things are going wrong in America! America isn't such a bad place, look at how diverse we are!" I say it it doesn't matter what the person in power looks like, it matters what they do. And what have the Democratic (and Republican) policies done for you over the past 40 years? They've shipped your jobs away, opened up the borders so you compete with people used to starvation wages, spend billions of dollars on disastrous wars and hegemonic posturing that benefits only the defense contracting industry and subsidizes the military budget of allied nations that already have a robust social safety system, inflated the GDP while increasing wealth inequality, further wedded the banking complex to the political and economic spheres, and bolstered a rigged economy while normalizing corruption in the democratic process. I think Trump is perhaps the most insurgent candidate we've seen in our lifetime. I think he's campaigning on overturning a lot of America's norms when it comes to domestic and foreign policy, and a lot of people are scared of change. But I find the status quo so detestable that change is not to be feared, but welcomed.
People always claim that Trump has no policy outlines, so, and please don't neg me for this, I'm going to link you to Trump's own words outlining his policies and proposed fixes for the problems he believes America is facing.
If you want to know Trump's foreign policy outline, here it is: Read Trump's 'America First' Foreign Policy Speech
If you want to know Trump's domestic policy outline, here it is: Full transcript: Donald Trump's jobs plan speech
If you disagree with what he's saying and prefer Hillary's message, by all means go and vote for her. But don't just swallow media soundbites, be informed.
Respect. I disagree with you but at least you have an informed opinion about who you're voting for. But here's my thing: You don't have a problem with the fear mongering and race baiting that Trump has made a habit of doing? Do you really look at Trump and think he has the decency, calm and discernment to be the leader of the free world?
Building a wall on Mexico, ban on Muslims coming into the country, etc are you comfortable with our president potentially wanting those things to happen?
For the record, even tho I will vote Hillary, I despise her, but I can't see Trump leading this country into a better and more prosperous future (and yes I did read your links)
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I live in a swing state and I am voting third party.
and i truly don't give a fukk if it hurts Dem's or not.
If a significant number of black people did vote third party it would send a huge message to the establishment to not take us for granted.
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King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
My biggest problem with Trump has been his tone. His mocking of that disabled reporter was inexcusable. He's definitely walked a fine line with his baiting and blaming. I wish he'd focus more on the politicians who created this shytty system than the morality of the illegal immigrants who abuse it, because most of those immigrants aren't breaking the law because they want to harm America, they're doing it because they want a better life. The anger should be directed at the people who made it so easy for them to immigrate illegally. Trump has definitely toyed with Hispanic race baiting (at least early on in his campaign, he's toned it down recently), but I honestly haven't seen much black race baiting.
But overall, I don't really rate decency and calm that highly on my list of Presidential qualities. Obama was extremely decent and calm, and that didn't do him, or the nation, much good. So I'm fine with Trump's bombast, but I agree there should be less collateral damage. And he's done a good job of that since the primaries ended.
What is this make believe Bernie purity test? What would they be conservative about, abortion? Marriage? The SCOTUS deaded that shyt for the most part. That fight is almost over. Populism is back in.
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